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DarkZtar 12-3-2023 04:56 PM

DZ Files 4
 
Edit: Have decided to pull the release for now. Will release when I've had the time to actually make proper gfx.

Edit2: Pack has been re-uploaded.

Pack 4: Mix of dump/tech files that I've made over the past 5ish years. Special thanks to Mipha and Fisu for playtesting (and double thanks to Mipha for collabing w me on Wildanes). If you did dl the prev version before the re-upload, delete it and re-download. (unless you want to keep the earlier version for whatever reason)

Click banner to download.

Pack 4: Alter Paradox


Elite Ninja 12-3-2023 05:11 PM

Re: DZ Files 4
 
epic paq

Lights 12-3-2023 09:16 PM

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a pack worth derusting for

Xellanoir 12-4-2023 05:43 AM

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Nooo, I saw this at work and was going to download it when I got home. Now I have to wait for the gfx update :(

DarkZtar 12-4-2023 10:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellanoir (Post 4792867)
Nooo, I saw this at work and was going to download it when I got home. Now I have to wait for the gfx update :(

Sorry about this.

For context on the decision: Received blowback immediately about the usage of AI art for gfx, with people in the discussion channels bringing up good points that I didn't consider. The original thought process was that as a solo project, it'd be neat to have more of the pack be my own "work" if I generated art to use for gfx (I realize how dumb that sounds now). Reading discussion feedback made me realize that is not the case, as usage of AI art just comes off as lazy/uninspired (even though I did spend far more time tweaking models and adjusting images to get stuff that I thought was at least half-presentable at the time) and is entirely against the spirit of using art in any medium (even for something as simple as stepchart gfx). I figured taking the pack down, owning up to my misguided thought process, and putting in the effort to overhaul the gfx would be much more preferable than have the pack be released in the current state.

For the few people that dl'd the original pack, I won't ask you to delete it if you want to play it in the meantime, but I do ask that you not share the pack with anyone else, or post scores publicly for now. I apologize again for this and hope that people will still be willing to dl / play the pack once I overhaul gfx.

Mollocephalus 12-5-2023 08:07 AM

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so let's just be honest here and say that the critique of AI usage for a stepmania pack of all things is beyond retarded

Mollocephalus 12-5-2023 08:11 AM

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unless you're some sort of da vinci who also draws/designs his own stuff, you're just going to steal and manipulate some graphics from the internet, how is that better? as a matter of fact, it's worse because you're directly using someone's work without permission (not that you should give a fuck), while at least with AI, while we know the sources also steal from content on the internet, at least the final result is new.

Lights 12-5-2023 03:10 PM

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owo tappies 2 used some AI generated content in its banners. I personally don't see anything wrong with it and intend for future packs to do the same.

ositzxz369 12-6-2023 08:57 PM

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quite the strange overreaction on this AI banner gfx stuff. Did anyone have any criticism about the files themselves?

ToonE156 12-7-2023 01:49 PM

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this is beyond stupid. its either using AI or directly taking art from online, which isnt alot better.

Klarion 12-7-2023 09:33 PM

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Good on you taking the right path with replacing the gfx and actually respecting work people put in, unlike some sad pathetic people here.

That's all I gotta say see ya in another half year

Xellanoir 12-7-2023 10:01 PM

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I'm just trying to figure out who is getting disrespected in this situation. The music artists?? The steppers???

We will find out all of this and more on the next episode of

Also I wanted to edit this to say that pathetic is not a nice word

Matthia 12-7-2023 10:24 PM

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Nothing is morally incorrect when it comes to generating background/banner images for stepmania packs. Every pack maker has the right to do whatever they like with the pack in the way they see fit, as long as it follows the rules on EtternaOnline for releases. Bashing on someone's pack because of something that doesn't break the rules is foolish behavior.

gold stinger 12-7-2023 10:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Klarion (Post 4792914)
Good on you taking the right path with replacing the gfx and actually respecting work people put in, unlike some sad pathetic people here.

That's all I gotta say see ya in another half year

Literally 99% of all art for Stepmania banners is stolen, edited in Photoshop, and reused without their consent along with 99% of all music charted and stepped for the game. And the fact that SimfileDB no longer exists due to copyright takedown notices is proof that we're all in the wrong for it and yet we continue to do so to this day.

:mrgreen:

Fantasticone 12-8-2023 04:37 PM

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Complaining about AI art when graphics are stolen all the time, too funny.

Lights 12-8-2023 10:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasticone (Post 4792921)
Complaining about AI art when graphics are stolen all the time, too funny.

hello mr. Cone c:

Coolboyrulez0 12-8-2023 11:01 PM

Re: DZ Files 4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Klarion (Post 4792914)
Good on you taking the right path with replacing the gfx and actually respecting work people put in, unlike some sad pathetic people here.

That's all I gotta say see ya in another half year

XD

aperson 12-9-2023 12:19 AM

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please replace all of the background art with pictures from darkshark's portfolio


besides, if we didn't steal art how would we end up with memes like

DarkZtar 12-11-2023 11:09 PM

Re: DZ Files 4
 
Pack has been re-uploaded. dl and give it a try if you want.

also fwiw, i never intended for this to turn into a discussion on ai art usage or w/e. point is i probably should have known that ai art was touchy subject/viewed in a negative light by a sizeable amount of the community given i was asked to change bgs for mwc stuff and i didn't take the hint. no, using images taken from various artist pages online isn't any better, but i threw in a gfx txt info file this time around to at least give credit this time around. also i still have 0 gfx/art skills, have been dealing with a sprained wrist, and have been running on <4 hours of sleep per night for basically the past 3 weeks at this point so don't expect much.

Mollocephalus 12-13-2023 04:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aperson (Post 4792925)
please replace all of the background art with pictures from darkshark's portfolio

based


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