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yo man im awesome 12-30-2011 10:33 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 3602342)
oh im in D5 now



i hope my body can take it

justin_ator 12-30-2011 10:49 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
LOL nice response. Temp placements are up, more updating of the third post commencing. Get hyped (: One day left, then we kick this off. Finishing up the post about the twist soon, it's gonna have a lot of info in it due to the nature of the idea. (:

dragonmegaXX 12-30-2011 10:52 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Everyone has to play on 1x speedmod

hXcalltheway 12-30-2011 10:52 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
\o/ D4 :-D PUMPED!!

Zekramcross 12-30-2011 10:53 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Im going to be whoring this game now so this will help me a lot. Hopefully i get a crazy skillboost.:twisted:

XxMidigamixX 12-30-2011 10:54 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by justin_ator (Post 3602522)
Finishing up the post about the twist soon, it's gonna have a lot of info in it due to the nature of the idea. (:
rip me

justin_ator 12-30-2011 11:03 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I will tell you this, it's an optional thing. If you don't like it, that doesn't mean you're done for :3

baseball1915 12-31-2011 01:26 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Hey id appreciate it if you could change mine to 1.25 but if not or if it's too late then thats fine...no big deal

justin_ator 12-31-2011 01:27 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Not at all too late :]

SD_Tsugamush 12-31-2011 01:32 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by justin_ator (Post 3602508)
Zak, moved down
_Zenith_, you're staying for now due to your other scores still, but we'll see if you improve a lot
Tsugamush, we're actually going to bump ya up bro.
cool beans. time to push my game
D5 here i come :twisted:

MikeShinoda12345 12-31-2011 01:34 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
lmao d6
bring it I guess

justin_ator 12-31-2011 01:37 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I think you'll do well enough, in all honesty I'd place any of the five of us in the official still in D5 into D6 for future tournaments.

MikeShinoda12345 12-31-2011 01:39 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
yeah I'm fine with the placement
I'm borderline, but (if I may say so) I might rip d5 if I was placed in it so :l

edit: are most rounds gonna be 1 week long and requests for extensions granted?

justin_ator 12-31-2011 02:00 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
They'll be 1 week, yes. But I'm not entirely sure if we can really grant extensions due to the fact it's an elimination tournament.

_Zenith_ 12-31-2011 02:09 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Woo! and okay Justin, If I do have a huge skill jump, I'll switch up to my old division

MikeShinoda12345 12-31-2011 03:51 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
seems like i'm the only person unable to play both sm and ffr within the same time period

I need to get used to each timing system and fps and all that whenever I switch between them

Elite Ninja 12-31-2011 03:53 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeShinoda12345 (Post 3602703)
seems like i'm the only person unable to play both sm and ffr within the same time period

I need to get used to each timing system and fps and all that whenever I switch between them
I play SM then I get worse at FFR. I play FFR then I stay the same level on SM since I suck at SM anways lol. I only use SM for stepping.

EzExZeRo7497 12-31-2011 04:23 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeShinoda12345 (Post 3602703)
seems like i'm the only person unable to play both sm and ffr within the same time period

I need to get used to each timing system and fps and all that whenever I switch between them
I'm always unable to play FFR anyways

wildfireskunk 12-31-2011 05:44 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
*Keeps his fingers crossed for bonus points for doing the song on much slower mods!*

TheSaxRunner05 12-31-2011 09:32 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildfireskunk (Post 3602731)
*Keeps his fingers crossed for bonus points for doing the song on much slower mods!*
If that's the case, gg for me =)

NocturneAunamic 12-31-2011 01:22 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
1.8x in please.

j-rodd123 12-31-2011 01:49 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Sure i'll go D4, play between 1.7 and 1.8, usually 1.7 tho

Zekramcross 12-31-2011 01:53 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Can you switch out zekramcross for salinas0990 since that is the account I'll be playing on?

justin_ator 12-31-2011 01:54 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildfireskunk (Post 3602731)
*Keeps his fingers crossed for bonus points for doing the song on much slower mods!*
You're pretty close, but I won't give more info until tonight. You guys can expect the twist to be posted at about 11 server time, an hour before the round starts. :] Placing the few of you who just signed up right now.

Elite Ninja 12-31-2011 01:55 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
in b4 double the speed mod >:]

AlexDest 12-31-2011 01:56 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
i'll be in

x1.975

SD_Tsugamush 12-31-2011 02:33 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
here ya go

x_lambourghini_x 12-31-2011 02:41 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I would like to join.

SD_Tsugamush 12-31-2011 03:33 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by x_lambourghini_x (Post 3602950)
I would like to join.
gotta post ur speedmod bro

megamon88 12-31-2011 03:40 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Change my speedmod to 1.9, I started using that and it's working out really well.

Arbliterator 12-31-2011 07:40 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
D1 looks a bit empty, any chance I can join in for fun only while playing one-handed? I can get some scores in if needed. 1.95x

Charlotte Kelly 12-31-2011 07:46 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
How good of a player do you have to be?

yo man im awesome 12-31-2011 08:13 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I'm staying the night at my cousin's house, and this compute basiclly ony has the capacity for this. I'll begin helping tomorrow ^.^

justin_ator 12-31-2011 09:17 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
It's all good, I can handle it tonight =] I will add the few of you who asked to join. Expect that twist in about two hours =]

I've actually decided to end sign-ups tonight, as it's going to be so much extra work to try and add people until the end of the first Round..

I'm pretty excited about this. lol I hope this thing works .-.

Placements will be done in a minute, will edit this post when they are.

Reshiram 12-31-2011 09:30 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Can you bump me up to D6?

It looks a bit empty up there, and with my ERB score I've started to get a bit of confidence back; I might have enough in the tank to make a decent run...

justin_ator 12-31-2011 09:40 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Sounds good to me, best of luck. Divisions are finished, if you aren't placed or have a complaint about the placement I'll be happy to look over it again, just please LET ME KNOW. Just over an hour left .-.

XxMidigamixX 12-31-2011 09:46 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Welp, wish I brought my kb with me to play FFR on my wii rofl. Oh well, that would wait until Tuesday lol

reuben_tate 12-31-2011 09:47 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
donated 10k. ^_^

justin_ator 12-31-2011 09:48 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Thank you reuben :]

justin_ator 12-31-2011 11:05 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
At this time, I can no longer change speedmods for users. I will be using the value that you posted when you joined.

This is what the speed-mod portion was for.

The twist is going to be a potential score bonus for anyone who wishes to experiment with their speedmods!

We're going to be using a formula to determine a player's raw score for the song that they played. Values of speedmods (both the player's normal and what they used) are input into this formula, along with their actual Raw score. Based off of their performance, they can actually gain points by playing at a higher/lower speedmod!

The formula looks as such:
r+((|s1-s2|/.05)*[((0.001-(0.00005*(g/50)))*h))*.3]

Where:
r = Player's Raw Score
s1 = Player's Typical Speedmod Setting
s2 = Player's Used Speedmod Setting
g = Number of Goods (rounded down)
and h = the total possible raw score for that round's song
[(~)*.3] = The .3 is ONLY for those using a lower speedmod.
It looks complicated, but it's really not rocket science! Here is the explanation.

Using a spoiler system to make things more manageable since it's a complicated order of operations deal lmao

A player's raw score (r) is kept intact, regardless. You will never lose points.

Added to that, is:

The difference between what a player typically uses (s2), and what they used on that particular song (s1). This number is then divided by .05, to determine how many .05 intervals away from their typical speedmod the user's play was.

This is then multiplied by:

.1% (MINUS .005% for each number of 50 goods a player gets in their score) of the TOTAL POSSIBLE RAW SCORE for that song. [this value obtained in this step is the total amount of Raw Bonus Score a player will receive for each interval of .05 that the player changed their speedmod]


There is one catch though:
If you play lower on speedmods, you will only receive a portion of the bonus raw, since most people have an easier time reading slower speedmods and will typically play at their normal maximum. You can still play lower, but you won't be receiving quite as much score boost.


Also, another point:
For those who still manage to AAA on a higher/lower speedmod, that effort doesn't go to waste. A SMALL percentage of that leftover Raw Bonus will transfer to the next round to help you out, in amounts proportional to the raw scores' proportions (so you don't transfer 7000 raw bonus from a long hard song into a 10000 total raw song cause it's short or something, obviously). This could be a huge help to some in later rounds!


Last thing:
This is COMPLETELY optional. It's set up to give a slight advantage and motivation to do it, but if you can do well enough without it, you will do just fine as is and are not going to be forced to play on other speedmods.


If for some reason this fails and things get ridiculous, I apologize. I tried to develop something that would work, and all I can do now is test it and see how things go. If it isn't working, we will be forced to revert back to normal tournament rules unless I can modify it to make things reasonable again. I ask that if that becomes the case, PLEASE be patient and understanding...

You will be able to check your scores yourself, using a spreadsheet I will provide here. Due to the nature of this idea, if you wish to use different speedmods you will probably want to experiment to see what kind of scores you can get. Here I will explain how to do that.

First, open this document:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...UVsU0k5ZzJmeUE
This is an excel spreadsheet that is set up with how to calculate your score. Once on this page, go to File (on the page) and then Download As. Then, download it as an excel file (if you don't have excel, talk to me about it) and go ahead and open it [in excel].

From here, you need to input some things: in the proper division space, insert your perfects, goods, avgs, misses, and boos. This should automatically put in your Raw score, make sure it matches up haha! Then, from there, input your normal speedmod and your USED speedmod for that song. It will then give you the proper difference between the two, as well as the number of .05 intervals you increased/decreased. This should ALSO give you the number of 50 good intervals. ROUND THIS NUMBER DOWN TO THE NEAREST WHOLE NUMBER. The additional raw score will now be correctly calculated, as well as the new total Raw Score, the score that will be used in the tournament. :]

Also, if you play down on speedmod, use the values in the lower box rather than the upper box (as described earlier, playing lower will still help you, but not nearly as much as playing up!).


You can calculate scores for your own benefit, as well as to check my math (we're not perfect!), but you do not NEED to post them with your score unless you wish to. I'll be doing ALL scores myself (unless yo man does some as well), so posting them is simply for your guys' benefit.

If I missed something, I will try to mention it shortly. Experiment with some scores and the spreadsheet for the next hour, and ask questions if you need to!

Magicturbo 12-31-2011 11:14 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
...


I'm just going to trust you with the speed mods... I don't feel like trying to understand it. It's my Christmas break for a reason

justin_ator 12-31-2011 11:18 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I had a feeling I'd get this reaction a lot...most simply put, you gain bonus if you increase a lot but maintain a decent PA still. I'd advise doing the "do it yourself segment" if you are willing, because it will definitely enable you to compare scores you get and how they will pan out, whether being better or worse. Just because you get worse PA by a little doesn't mean your score is worse if you use a higher speedmod. :]

_Zenith_ 12-31-2011 11:51 PM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Donated 2400 Creds

justin_ator 01-1-2012 12:00 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
ROUND ONE HAS BEGUN! Round one songs are:

D6: Piano Etude (Gymnastics) (Classical) [Max Raw = 62650]
D5: Fast Asleep (Secret) [Max Raw = 33250] (if you don't

have it, we might be able to work something out)
D4: Gym Leader (RBY) (Arcade) [Max Raw = 52150]
D3: Electro Rush x8 (Dance) [Max Raw = 39350]
D2: Seagull (Dance) [Max Raw = 28000]
D1: Pokemon GSC Elite Four (Arcade) [Max Raw = 21600]

Zakvvv666 01-1-2012 12:03 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I have a question, does AAAing on a different speedmod also give bonus points? If so this most likely won't go well for me as I don't think I'll have much success switching around.

Magicturbo 01-1-2012 12:04 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zakvvv666 (Post 3603275)
I have a question, does AAAing on a different speedmod also give bonus points? If so this most likely won't go well for me as I don't think I'll have much success switching around.
I hope not... AAA-ing should be a perfect score, nothing more. I'm hoping he won't allow scores to pass the maximum raw score =S

justin_ator 01-1-2012 12:10 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I stated this in Note (3?). Extra raw will be rollover for the next round, but it will only be a small portion of the ratio between the songs. If you get 1000 rollover points on a 10000 point song, but the next one is a 9000 point song, you will only get a certain % of 900 points (it's small enough not to win a round for you, but it might be worth it to try if you can. It is supposed to be incentive to play on higher speedmods, and if you can AAA on regular why would you try a higher mod?).

.Gazelle. 01-1-2012 12:12 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
/oshi- too late to join? x1.95

FFR4EVA_00 01-1-2012 12:12 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
yo i wanna ****ing sign up for this shit omg

jprox445 01-1-2012 12:13 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
would love to join... i just found out bout this!

alloyus 01-1-2012 12:16 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
That formula is so confusing. Also, easily one of my worst FMOs :( Probably second only to Skeletor.

_Zenith_ 01-1-2012 12:16 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Man you guys are late ><

icontrolyourworld 01-1-2012 12:17 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
i'm going to break this !!!

Im Vince 01-1-2012 12:19 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I'm gonna die.

justin_ator 01-1-2012 12:19 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icontrolyourworld (Post 3603291)
i'm going to break this !!!
.-. uh oh lmao

Zakvvv666 01-1-2012 12:20 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Only reason this was easy is because I've AAA'd it before lol.

jprox445 01-1-2012 12:26 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Guess i have to add this...
(1.8) usually this is my play speed but i can go as low as 1.7 and high as 1.9

justin_ator 01-1-2012 12:27 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
As I forgot to update the OP to represent this information, I will let those of you who posted prior to right now in.

Signups are now Closed

Magicturbo 01-1-2012 12:28 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Author failure >=/

Anyways here's the score

justin_ator 01-1-2012 12:30 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
erhm, nice connection loss. Make sure you guys are logged in and whatnot when ya play.

00Razor00 01-1-2012 12:33 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
LMFAO

hi19hi19 01-1-2012 12:37 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Formula actually looks somewhat sound, I look forward to how people will try to break it.

I'm just going to try my best in my normal 1.8-2.0x range and see... not feeling too competitive in this tournament, but I'll submit for fun until I'm knocked out!

Elite Ninja 01-1-2012 12:41 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 00Razor00 (Post 3603305)
LMFAO
so pr0

samurai7694 01-1-2012 12:49 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
hi
im luis
im drunk
and ehat is going non>?

icontrolyourworld 01-1-2012 12:49 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Done

hi19hi19 01-1-2012 12:50 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Formula is definitely working, though already I see a way to cheat it somewhat- averages don't count for the PA side of the equation and they really should, but that's okay because they tank your raw score so much anyway I can't really see a 0-2-0-0 beating out a BF on a higher speedmod, for example. Someone feel free to prove me wrong :P

Anyway this should be 33169.78 points... I think.


Also got this in case my math was wrong (lol I got 33089.87 for this score, which seemed about right)



EDIT- lol gg icyworld

The_Toymaker 01-1-2012 12:50 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
This is actually the hardest 9 for me. I can't hit the 3 {24} patterns at all. GG round one of a tourney again.
ps my highest score is mashed

Zakvvv666 01-1-2012 12:50 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icontrolyourworld (Post 3603322)
Done
lmfao icy

justin_ator 01-1-2012 12:52 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
LOL icy wins D6 rip sending credits now.

jk lol...mind not cheating?

dragonmegaXX 01-1-2012 12:53 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
So tell me this, with this system, whats better:
2.0.0.0 on 1.925x
or 3.0.0.0 on 2x

icontrolyourworld 01-1-2012 12:54 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
If I honestly memorize the chart and do it would it be cheating xD

edit you're honestly going to have to define cheating on this one, because i'm going to do everything i can to submit a 100,000x score xD

Xx{Midnight}xX 01-1-2012 12:54 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by justin_ator (Post 3593433)
[color=SandyBrown]D4: Gym Leader (RBY) (Arcade) [Max Raw = 52150]

D4
Zakvvv666
Xx{Midnight}xX
CammyGoesRawr
reuben_tate
sticklydude
MrPreggers
The_Toymaker
megamon88
8 Hour Whore
Trogdor!!!!
_Zenith_
xTitan69x
XCV
runescapedude1126
Emo_Saur_
SkRAWRk
hXcalltheway
Renevatia
MephBoss
prefx
j-rodd123
------------------------------
You tourney hosts are banding together to make me rage quit aren't you.

Popsicle picks Big Blue
You Pick Gym Leader
The Sax runner's probably gonna pick some mediocre garbage shit like "Teh Trick Techno"

-_-"

Trogdor!!!! 01-1-2012 12:56 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 


I'm not going to improve that so if it gets beat then meh although I doubt I'll lose with a 2g clean with .05+ SM. I didn't want to quit this tournament, but it actually kind of hurts playing this game with a dislocated shoulder. Dx

Trogdor!!!! 01-1-2012 12:58 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icontrolyourworld (Post 3603322)
Done
rooooooofffffllllllll

Edit: DP whatever. D:

Zakvvv666 01-1-2012 12:59 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
I can forsee me probably being the first person to AAA/get a really good score the first 2-3 rounds then having tons of trouble after that, it just seems to always happen xD

jprox445 01-1-2012 12:59 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
so what division am i in..? D4?

dragonmegaXX 01-1-2012 01:02 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jprox445 (Post 3603346)
so what division am i in..? D4?
You're asking for a quick death in D4 with only two 9 AAA's

EzExZeRo7497 01-1-2012 01:04 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Icy wins

jprox445 01-1-2012 01:06 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonmegaXX (Post 3603349)
You're asking for a quick death in D4 with only two 9 AAA's
i have more then 2... + i keep gettin shoved in d4 in all tourneys.

icontrolyourworld 01-1-2012 01:06 AM
Re: New Years Tournament!
 
Seriously though I didn't use any bots or have anyone play on my account so it's not cheating by OP standards xD


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