Attention: FFR Administration and Staff
Attention FFR Administration and Staff,
We will try to be as brief as possible, but what is being stated needs to be addressed for FFR’s future success: Legal:
There have been a few amazing and wonderful updates thanks to those working hard to advance FFR, however no there is no initiative by higher-up staff to make anything change. We would like to open up this thread for debate and reach some sort of agreement to progress. We are saying this because we care. Sorry, and thank you. ~ Fission / Xiz *We will be updating this list accordingly, and please feel free to give feedback on your thoughts. |
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my favourite part of this post is the legal section
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My favourite part of this post is the fact someone finally made it.
This site is so fucking stagnant, ugh. I mean it's great, but it's not going anywhere except slowly losing people, you know? I almost want Tass to come back and kick everyone's asses :/ |
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Now hiring staff, yes?
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We will always be addressing FFR as a hobbyist project built and supported entirely by volunteers, who offer whatever skills they have because they are passionate about the game and the community. Most of the items on your agenda exist because the extensive team of volunteers we are so lucky to have today do not have the experience to properly build them. In such a tightly woven niche community where new forum-goers are a refreshing change, no one wants be the first to stand up and publicly request user X to be stripped of their volunteer staff position. You have explained in black and #f5f9ff what you would like see accomplished to ensure FFR's future success, but I think we can both agree that nothing can happen until someone with the capacity and initiative to do so volunteers themselves.
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I've been on the site for 5 years and the time it was down for a year. I've wanted so badly to help FFR become more solid as a website and a community. So far it has been downhill but we'll probably see more people when the official starts (just a guess) and nothing is being done to ensure FFR has a good future ahead of it. |
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Truth of the matter is that I am pretty sure there are people on this site that can truly help out and improve it (doing dev work or whatever)
But that's not the real issue, the elephant in the room is that people don't /want/ to give them power. This can be because of trust or personal drama issues. |
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Am I the problem?
I'm sorry senpai! I didn't mean to disappoint! Also, it would be pretty rad if we don't have to worry about permissions at all anymore. I think that would bring some good charts I think. |
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no one wants to give me power and ive been requesting it forever now
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I think a major part of the problem is, I have no idea who still runs the site.
- Who has ownership of the site? Synth still? Velocity buy it from him or something? Synth is still an admin according to the site but who knows what that means. He hasn't even visited the site in like 4 months. - Servers where? Synth paying out of pocket still? - Money where? Non-profit organization; can still generate money from ads as long as it goes back into the site, facilitating our goal of promoting rhythm games. Standard non-profit stuff, at least in my head. Money lets you HIRE coders, admins, etc... Missed opportunity? Legal issues? Who even knows this stuff? Tass used to be our pseudo legal expert, now who is watching out for the company legally? Anyone? - Who has power to make people admins/mods? One of our mods (stavie33) literally hasn't logged on since last year. Is there even a process to determine if that's worth addressing, or is he just gonna sit there in the mod list? The FFR leadership (or lack thereof?) is a total black box to me, and -usually- I'm significantly more clued-in than the average user. Can't imagine how disconcerting it is as a new community member to not even really know who is in charge. |
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We're still using the same HDD on the server since 2006 with our amazing 80gb of space. The site has gone down so many times in the last few months because we've run out of space. As it stands we have about 3gb left before the server crashes for it's final time. Synth apparently had a new server and new HDD for the last several years but has never gotten around to ever installing it. Quote:
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I'm very salty about how things have turned out over the years, though I'm partially to blame. Mod status is also basically for show and gives barely anything. Though that was mainly due to Zageron redoing the entire forum layout/permissions. Developer status is also pointless since beyond Max, the rest are admins and just fuels our ego trip. Working on FFR is like trying to revive a dead person, regardless of the amount of work put into it, you aren't getting anywhere unless you get a new person to take the place of the old. It doesn't help that large changes are basically impossible. |
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Jesus, this site is a mess.
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i think it would be in the best interest of staff to come to a consensus as to what to do with FFR moving forward. if nobody is making decisions and laying down a roadmap, nothing is going to happen in a timely manner.
EDIT: my post seems like it is a rehash of the tl;dr of the OP. to clarify, FFR needs a set of goals to accomplish and what can be done to work toward them. there appears to be a fundamental lack of direction for anybody who can't see what is going on behind the scenes. |
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(Feels like the answers will be pretty obvious) If the legend holds true (Synth having a spare HDD), that would be one of the very first step. It's critical at this point that we only have about 4% of space left on the server. |
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IIRC server expenses aren't an issue for Synth because of some perks from his job. Was told that at some point years ago. Might be different now. I'm out of the loop on that sort of thing.
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I should probably mention since I'm here I should point out
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This would be an ideal time for synth to come in and explain what's going on. Just like it was the ideal time for synth to come in and explain what's going on forever ago.
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yeah um, dunno if you guys know but synthlight has officially treated ffr as "not his problem" for close to five years
i got that from his job history on linkedin |
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It's a shame that its 'not his problem' but refuses to give it up to Zag/Velo when updates need to happen.
I'm wondering what can be done so it can change... |
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maybe we should all have a google hangout with synthlight or something and discuss these types of things since he's not here that often
and he doesn't consider it to be "his problem" when the servers are obviously "his problem" |
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If only there were a doctor around here to prescribe something for FFR's staff infection.
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I used to work a prescription desk at a shoppers drug mart does that count
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When stuff fell through before, this is what happened as an alternative: http://ffr.lightdarkness.net/ If Synthlight won't improve FFR, maybe an alternate site should be established for the best. Ater all, as Xiz mentioned, this site could be wayyyyyyyyyy better than it currently is. That feels like a bad idea though WHAT THE FUCK SYNTH.
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there are a decent amount of options if we do have to jump ship
setting up an independent ffr client and getting a free message board (at least temporarily) would keep things the most similar to the status quo, although i imagine we'd go full ffrmania and just not care about artist permissions since we'd have little plans to expand a bit more out there would be setting up a new site under a new name but keeping the same basic engine and trying to carry over as much from the original ffr as possible, but that would require people to step up and take command of the new project the most extreme would be to just jump to another rhythm game community, like stepmania (which sorely lacks a central community to drive new developments and expansion- i was involved in an extensive conversation about stepmania's apparent lack of popularity compared to osu the other day), although i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people wouldn't be willing to give up on ffr for whatever reason (and there would be a lot of reasons to choose from) |
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It doesn't seem like there's a winning solution here. We either wait here for the inevitable crash of FFR, or move somewhere else and deal with those consequences.
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Where can Synthlight be contacted? This is starting to sound like a vitally important matter.
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We need to use a ouija board for that.
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I'm salty that my @flashflashrevolution.com email doesn't work anymore.
Whatever happened to that? :/ From what I gather so far, Synth just needs to hand over the site to the staff that are willing to improve it and keep it alive, rather than treating it as "not my problem" ~_~ |
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Latest opportunity would've been a potential one-on-one meeting with him and Zageron in Vancouver during an apparent conference trip, but Synth never ended up travelling there. Trust me - we've definitely tried to contact him. Unfortunately it's entirely up to Synthlight to respond at all. We all understand that he has a busy outside life, but if he claims that FFR is his baby, we definitely deserve a bit more personal maintenance. |
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ironically thirdstyle was created because of a few of these issues and everyone hates it
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the fact of the matter is that anyone who tries to start a serious "jump ship" movement, even though ffr is CLEARLY going nowhere, is going to look like an asshole to a lot of people on this site
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Also, if the underlying problem of why this website can not continue to improve and could be on the verge of being offline for good is because of the founder and creator of the website... eeeeeeh... If people don't feel like leaving and want to continue to use this website, I'd imagine you guys would have to make separate domains to host content. We can already play files others have made on different domains via thanks to awesome arc using the game from this domain. Why not just move said content just like that and rewrite code so your stats and everything will still remain intact and recorded? ...I feel like someone already suggested that some time ago, but eehh... throwing it out there. Also, if the forums are a big part of the space issue, move the forum... to a different domain. I mean I can see no other way. But my suggestion is only if you guys can't persuade Synthlight to do SOMETHING for the website. |
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Pretty much what i thought, it's a damn shame. So in a nutshell, nothing going to happen until synth either relinquishes ownership, or gives full control to someone. *Psst* Admins, go make a ffr2 and we'll all come to it. |
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Thanks for the answers Velocity.
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This has happened many times before (R2, Keybeat, Thirdstyle) and each time it's either epically failed or torn the userbase in two. The only logical thing to do is to get this site under the control of someone who checks in more than every 4 months and establish leadership, revive the company structure, etc. etc. Trying to save it by all jumping ship at once to a new site has never worked, and it probably never will for a few social-psychological reasons. |
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Let's all get jobs at Wiredtree and complain to Synth in person.
-o24 |
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yeah hihih but sadly i don't think that'll ever be happening:/
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It's nice to see everyone coming together to make a step forward for the community though!
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Those who have direct access to Synth might be the key in order to get this done. However, what exactly needs to be said/done is something I am not sure of. Perhaps if we get every admin (current and past) on board, and have everyone come together and let him know that something needs to change, something might happen. (still spit-balling here) |
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It's kinda sad to see how low the site has gone - that any of the stepfiles put up today won't reach the same kind of audience or play count that older files of objectively worse quality have. Things peaking with bad timing, I guess - and there's good things about having a small community as well, in any case.
For my part I'm willing to help out as possible, as a stepfile judge /if I was found to be sufficiently qualified/ for more efficient batches, as a fpp writer (what hi19 wrote in the other thread the other day is important), etc. But as this thread makes clear, the problem's deeper than that. Like Kraezy said though, it's nice to see open and actual discussion on this for once. |
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what is kbo what is thirdstyle velocity's engine is arguably an ffr2 |
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Do not forget that moving from a domain to another forces an amendment of the terms determined in the artist's content "permission to use" contracts, as they are properly specified for usage by FFR. Now I don't know if there's any acceptable solution from a legal standpoint to solve this, but that would mean informing each individuals of the concerned party of the changes in clauses if you want to be properly protected from strikes.
To be honest, I've put effort in many projects to stimulate the community and often have had close to zero interest from it, so I'm pretty much done. For example, I've put my eager to continue contributing for my brother's "Song List Correction" project on hold especially because of how our current limitations restrict us from actively making changes or seeking help (props to bmah for makig his best). So I second in saying it's a collective effort. |
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Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 13 (10 members and 3 guests)
choof, axith, mr_candy, noname219, One Winged Angel*, reuben_tate, Synthlight, TC_Halogen, trumaestro, VisD, Xiz |
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Nope
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Stand by my statement that I'm happy to help where possible, including but not limited to the front of social media and updates
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excuse me but are the walls of the website breaking
nevermind must have been just my imagination. I'm really sick today. |
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Was talking with Danceguy, and here is what we talked about in a nutshell:
Assuming worst case scenario where synth fails to respond... the only possible way that we can see a migration being beneficial would be if FFR's homepage would automatically redirect to a new URL taking all of it's members. This can be done easily if I am not mistaken? So I guess we have two options: A) We all band together (specifically admins who have more persuasion power to synth) and ask him to hand down the reigns for more freedom in updating the site B) We migrate to a different website while redirecting FFR to the new domain, doing a copy + paste pretty much so we can take all old/new members so it's not another failed thirdstyle or something like that |
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would actually like a link to his linkedin page to confirm this |
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The domain is registered under his name.
I don't even know if that's legal or not, but it feels like hijacking to me. |
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Yeah, I wouldn't just flatout hijack it, which is why I suggest maybe making a new domain to transfer some of the heavy content over while also keeping everything else on this domain.
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Lmao, owning a domain means it's registered under your property. I mean it's not called "owning a domain" for no reason. So if you want to go into option B hard, like real hard, it pretty much goes back to option A as you'd need to contact Synth for a transaction.
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I wouldn't mid being on the event staff, I enjoy that kinda of stuff.
Sign me ups, yesh? :3 |
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Dno what this guy's problem is. Is it so hard to give up a site if you don't even care about it? This is by far my favorite and one of the only rhythm games out there that I enjoy playing.
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I mean I get your point, but I still think that it would be difficult, and probably not the path we should pursue until it's ABSOLUTELY clear there is no way to go forward with our current system. I'm not yet convinced there is no hope for the site as it is now; we need to hear from Synth though. If a concerted effort by people who can contact Synth resulted in Synth hand-waving or not showing up at all, then it would be a lot easier to get people on board to entirely move somewhere else together, you know? |
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I think everything should start with a front page post to better get his attention, if he decides to visit the front page for like 10 seconds while logged out of his account.
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This could help?
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:/ If there is anything I can do, let me know. I'm willing to do something to help keep this site alive if need be.
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Let's give some examples on how certain tasks could be split up more specifically: - Game Managers. These people are concerned with the content ingame and other administrative parts of the game (e.g. Tournament Dashboard score adding) and defining goals for the game (e.g. have the 10th official start in december). Actually handling the batches is given responsibility to Batch Managers. - Batch Managers. These people look at how the batches are running, set sprint goals for batches, and try to make the judging process smooth. - Event Managers. These people help in actively providing new activities on the site (e.g. fundraising for the official tournament, the StepCon, and so forth). Again, this is another case where responsibility is handed to a different organization of the site. - The Judge Team. These are the users that judge the batches within a given amount of time. Notice how here there is a clear delegation of responsibility. The Batch Managers have the responsibility of making sure the Judge Team process runs smoothly and accomodate for obstacles. This is not the responsibility of the Game Manager. The Game Manager may propose a goal (e.g. reach $2,000 for another official tournament) but that responsibility is then handed to the Event Managers. Does this look familiar to any software developers out there? Ever heard of SCRUM? In SCRUM you have: - Product Owner: Define what features to put on a product according to a customer's needs. - SCRUM Master: Make sure the process runs smoothly, keeps track of the development team. - SCRUM Team: The people who actually implement the product. - Stakeholders: Anyone affected by the outcome of the product. By definition, all above three are stakeholders, but stakeholders can also be from different organizations in the company. SCRUM goes by sprints, usually 2 week sprints. Let's apply the methodology here. User Stories are descriptions of what a customer wants (in this case, let's say the customer is the entire site's userbase). User Stories: - GAME MANAGER: We need more files for the next Official FFR Tournament. - BATCH MANAGER: Alright guys, we need files for the next Official FFR Tournament. Starting from September 7th, we will have a 2 week sprint of getting the August Batch judged. User story: Finish judging the batch this sprint so users can decide which files to send next batch, and gather more files for the next official tournament. - JUDGE TEAM: Now it's the responsibility of each judge to finish his or her section of the batch, and if there are obstacles, inform in a timely fashion. The accountability factor needs to be there. In SCRUM you also have daily meetings to get the SCRUM Master (in FFR's case, this could be the Batch Manager) up to date on how the SCRUM Team is doing. These daily meetings answer three important questions: What did you do yesterday? What did you do today? Are there any obstacles that will prevent you from finishing this user story by the end of this sprint cycle? Sprints are incremental and work towards achieving greater goals (in this case, gathering files for the official tournament but it has to be done step by step). So I read Synthlight's LinkedIn and how he's now a Vice President of Operations at a company, yet he still isn't delegating responsibility to other users on this site. There seems to be this massive issue of trust on this site, especially considering well... users aren't being paid. Synthlight I can see having an element of trust in delegation because the employees are in a work situation where they can get fired and lose income. You have developers, networkers, and other people on FFR willing to volunteer but their talents never get to see the light of day or some kind of argument hinders their chances of attempting to contribute to the site. I can't say this is what Synthlight's mindset is, but the way I see it is I can see Synthlight thinking "I spent a lot of money for servers and keeping this site up, I don't want people who aren't getting paid to be able to access stuff from the backend." This kind of paranoia is obviously hurting this site and it needs to stop. Where did the Managerial and accountability aspect go? Synthlight claims he has a new server but never got around to installing it. He can handle the physical cabling where he is, and then have networkers here help with the configuration of the DNS nameservers and such. I'm learning about networking at Akamai Technologies and I think choof is also a networker. There are users willing to contribute to this site. |
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What's most important?
Well, let's monitor the data storage so we don't crash the site, that would be first priority (if that is indeed a problem). If we can't fix that then it would be grounds enough to leave the site. Also Dossar, you're fupping amazing. |
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All I wanna do is mash arrows D:
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I'm going to go mash arrows right now.
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I blame the fact that Destiny came out today...
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just an fyi but if there is serious talk about taking ffr and moving it somewhere else remember that synth still owns ffr. its his and taking it would be stealing. he has threatened taking legal action before and would definitely do it again. if you guys want advice on how to handle the situation and what to expect from synth then talk to tass and the gang that tried to do it first.
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a whois lookup of flashflashrevolution.com gives the same information, and this one stands out "Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-12-03 05:42:00Z " |
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ps I already applied for a moderator position of bits and bytes and I was basically told "quit shitposting and we'll think about it"
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