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Xiz 09-8-2014 04:02 PM

Attention: FFR Administration and Staff
 
Attention FFR Administration and Staff,
We will try to be as brief as possible, but what is being stated needs to be addressed for FFR’s future success:


Legal:
  • The Terms of Service for FFR, and acquiring permissions from song artists is also outdated. An updated legal documentation such as the one found at https://osu.ppy.sh/p/terms would be beneficial. (Also it would open the doors to unlimited music on FFR)
  • Add a page for disputes in-case of accidental infringement of Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. 512
  • Including a staff-only administrative email system to follow up on any (worst case scenario) disputes / C&D between FFR and a 3rd party.
Administration:
  • Developers lack permission to update / generate new content without jumping through hoops and using other individuals login information in order to implement said new content.
  • Administrators need to be re-looked at. As much as I love everyone on the staff team here at FFR, there are those who lack any initiative to keep FFR progressing. The admin’s who are giving it their all are overloaded due to the lack of effort from other admins.
  • Communication / Updates with new and regular FFR players. More front page posts, more facebook posts, more info on what is going on in the background.
Website:
  • FFR Codebase needs a rewrite to 2014 standards
  • Uniformity between different areas of the website allows extensions to be made much more easily. An example of disparate interfaces is the main page and the forums. By consolidating them more seamlessly rather than keeping them segmented allows for a more natural inclusion of the forums into the main website.
  • Usability and responsiveness benefits. Increasingly, devices such as smartphones and tablets are being used to browse FFR as the general population transitions to these devices for browsing the internet. By creating a single page web application, FFR will become more responsive on the aforementioned devices.
  • More user friendly accessibility to website / contents. This includes the main page, it’s navigation bar, and the side panels. As it stands currently, most of the user interface features (including the helpful ones such as current events) are simply bolted on. They don’t appear to be thoughtfully integrated into the rest of the interface, including the primary navigation bar. Trimming out some less frequently used features and increasing the prominence of more frequently used features




There have been a few amazing and wonderful updates thanks to those working hard to advance FFR, however no there is no initiative by higher-up staff to make anything change. We would like to open up this thread for debate and reach some sort of agreement to progress. We are saying this because we care. Sorry, and thank you.

~ Fission / Xiz

*We will be updating this list accordingly, and please feel free to give feedback on your thoughts.

Wayward Vagabond 09-8-2014 05:47 PM

Re: Attention: FFR Administration and Staff
 
my favourite part of this post is the legal section

hi19hi19 09-8-2014 07:39 PM

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My favourite part of this post is the fact someone finally made it.
This site is so fucking stagnant, ugh. I mean it's great, but it's not going anywhere except slowly losing people, you know?



I almost want Tass to come back and kick everyone's asses :/

Kanzas 09-8-2014 07:44 PM

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Now hiring staff, yes?

PrawnSkunk 09-8-2014 09:06 PM

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We will always be addressing FFR as a hobbyist project built and supported entirely by volunteers, who offer whatever skills they have because they are passionate about the game and the community. Most of the items on your agenda exist because the extensive team of volunteers we are so lucky to have today do not have the experience to properly build them. In such a tightly woven niche community where new forum-goers are a refreshing change, no one wants be the first to stand up and publicly request user X to be stripped of their volunteer staff position. You have explained in black and #f5f9ff what you would like see accomplished to ensure FFR's future success, but I think we can both agree that nothing can happen until someone with the capacity and initiative to do so volunteers themselves.

_Zenith_ 09-8-2014 09:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanzas (Post 4196600)
Now hiring staff, yes?

^ please.

I've been on the site for 5 years and the time it was down for a year. I've wanted so badly to help FFR become more solid as a website and a community. So far it has been downhill but we'll probably see more people when the official starts (just a guess) and nothing is being done to ensure FFR has a good future ahead of it.

Xiz 09-8-2014 09:43 PM

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Truth of the matter is that I am pretty sure there are people on this site that can truly help out and improve it (doing dev work or whatever)

But that's not the real issue, the elephant in the room is that people don't /want/ to give them power. This can be because of trust or personal drama issues.

Charu 09-8-2014 09:49 PM

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Am I the problem?

I'm sorry senpai! I didn't mean to disappoint!

Also, it would be pretty rad if we don't have to worry about permissions at all anymore. I think that would bring some good charts I think.

Wayward Vagabond 09-8-2014 10:02 PM

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no one wants to give me power and ive been requesting it forever now

TC_Halogen 09-8-2014 10:10 PM

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but

you're the president of TGB

hi19hi19 09-8-2014 10:17 PM

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I think a major part of the problem is, I have no idea who still runs the site.

- Who has ownership of the site? Synth still? Velocity buy it from him or something? Synth is still an admin according to the site but who knows what that means. He hasn't even visited the site in like 4 months.
- Servers where? Synth paying out of pocket still?
- Money where? Non-profit organization; can still generate money from ads as long as it goes back into the site, facilitating our goal of promoting rhythm games. Standard non-profit stuff, at least in my head. Money lets you HIRE coders, admins, etc... Missed opportunity? Legal issues? Who even knows this stuff? Tass used to be our pseudo legal expert, now who is watching out for the company legally? Anyone?
- Who has power to make people admins/mods? One of our mods (stavie33) literally hasn't logged on since last year. Is there even a process to determine if that's worth addressing, or is he just gonna sit there in the mod list?

The FFR leadership (or lack thereof?) is a total black box to me, and -usually- I'm significantly more clued-in than the average user. Can't imagine how disconcerting it is as a new community member to not even really know who is in charge.

Wayward Vagabond 09-8-2014 10:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen (Post 4196680)
but

you're the president of TGB

its only for show. im the president but i dont actually have any power

Velocity 09-8-2014 10:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196685)
I think a major part of the problem is, I have no idea who still runs the site.

As it stands, no one person runs the site, most staf are split into 2 groups. Content/Event and Developers

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196685)
Who has ownership of the site? Synth still? Velocity buy it from him or something?

Synthlight is the sole owner of the site and won't give up access to the backend (Server/cPanel/etc) even after several requests from Zag & myself.
I don't think I would even take the site if it was given to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196685)
Servers where? Synth paying out of pocket still?

Unknown and supposedly.
We're still using the same HDD on the server since 2006 with our amazing 80gb of space. The site has gone down so many times in the last few months because we've run out of space. As it stands we have about 3gb left before the server crashes for it's final time. Synth apparently had a new server and new HDD for the last several years but has never gotten around to ever installing it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196685)
Money where? Non-profit organization; can still generate money from ads as long as it goes back into the site, facilitating our goal of promoting rhythm games. Standard non-profit stuff, at least in my head. Money lets you HIRE coders, admins, etc...

There's no money in FFR anywhere beyond that donation drive for the tournament/prize/whatever it was. Everyone basically does there job either because they want to or they enjoy it. That or they have nothing better to do and only keep doing it because they are the only one who knows how the backend even works.


Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196685)
Missed opportunity? Legal issues? Who even knows this stuff? Tass used to be our pseudo legal expert, now who is watching out for the company legally? Anyone?

No one looks out from FFR in a legal standpoint from what I can tell. Even if we received a DMCA, I don't even know where it would go. Hell, beyond PMing admins on the site, I don't even know if we have an email that we supposedly check.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196685)
Who has power to make people admins/mods?

Most Admin/Mod positions are debated on by bmah, Sky Kitten, OWA, Halogen, Sprite, arcnmx, emerald, Myself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196685)
The FFR leadership (or lack thereof?) is a total black box to me, and -usually- I'm significantly more clued-in than the average user. Can't imagine how disconcerting it is as a new community member to not even really know who is in charge.

FFR doesn't have a leadership in any sense of the word. People basically have a single task and unless you ask them what's happening, the going ons of staff members are a complete mystery to even other staff members. Things like our apparent new monthly updates are half a surprise to me unless Prawn is unable to make the change himself and requires help.


I'm very salty about how things have turned out over the years, though I'm partially to blame.

Mod status is also basically for show and gives barely anything. Though that was mainly due to Zageron redoing the entire forum layout/permissions.

Developer status is also pointless since beyond Max, the rest are admins and just fuels our ego trip.

Working on FFR is like trying to revive a dead person, regardless of the amount of work put into it, you aren't getting anywhere unless you get a new person to take the place of the old. It doesn't help that large changes are basically impossible.

Poison- 09-8-2014 10:54 PM

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Jesus, this site is a mess.

Fission 09-8-2014 11:26 PM

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i think it would be in the best interest of staff to come to a consensus as to what to do with FFR moving forward. if nobody is making decisions and laying down a roadmap, nothing is going to happen in a timely manner.

EDIT: my post seems like it is a rehash of the tl;dr of the OP. to clarify, FFR needs a set of goals to accomplish and what can be done to work toward them. there appears to be a fundamental lack of direction for anybody who can't see what is going on behind the scenes.

noname219 09-8-2014 11:30 PM

Re: Attention: FFR Administration and Staff
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 4196692)
Unknown and supposedly.
We're still using the same HDD on the server since 2006 with our amazing 80gb of space. The site has gone down so many times in the last few months because we've run out of space. As it stands we have about 3gb left before the server crashes for it's final time. Synth apparently had a new server and new HDD for the last several years but has never gotten around to ever installing it.

Do you know the details, what is currently taking the most space ? If we want to come up with new features for the website, would the 3 gb left be problematic ?

(Feels like the answers will be pretty obvious)

If the legend holds true (Synth having a spare HDD), that would be one of the very first step. It's critical at this point that we only have about 4% of space left on the server.

gold stinger 09-8-2014 11:44 PM

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Quote:

The site has gone down so many times in the last few months because we've run out of space.
I fucking laughed.

Quote:

As it stands we have about 3gb left before the server crashes for it's final time.
I fucking pissed myself from laughter.

Quote:

the going ons of staff members are a complete mystery to even other staff members.
I'm crying from laughter I can't handle this it's too much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 4196692)
Unknown and supposedly.
We're still using the same HDD on the server since 2006 with our amazing 80gb of space. The site has gone down so many times in the last few months because we've run out of space. As it stands we have about 3gb left before the server crashes for it's final time. Synth apparently had a new server and new HDD for the last several years but has never gotten around to ever installing it.

If I threw a $120 1TB HDD at him would he move the data and re-host it

HammyMcSquirrel 09-8-2014 11:48 PM

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IIRC server expenses aren't an issue for Synth because of some perks from his job. Was told that at some point years ago. Might be different now. I'm out of the loop on that sort of thing.

gold stinger 09-8-2014 11:56 PM

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I should probably mention since I'm here I should point out

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 4196692)
No one looks out from FFR in a legal standpoint from what I can tell. Even if we received a DMCA, I don't even know where it would go. Hell, beyond PMing admins on the site, I don't even know if we have an email that we supposedly check.

that there is a "contact us" button at the bottom of the front page.



how do you guys not know this stuff

trumaestro 09-9-2014 12:06 AM

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This would be an ideal time for synth to come in and explain what's going on. Just like it was the ideal time for synth to come in and explain what's going on forever ago.

lurker 09-9-2014 12:21 AM

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yeah um, dunno if you guys know but synthlight has officially treated ffr as "not his problem" for close to five years
i got that from his job history on linkedin

Xiz 09-9-2014 12:35 AM

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It's a shame that its 'not his problem' but refuses to give it up to Zag/Velo when updates need to happen.

I'm wondering what can be done so it can change...

gold stinger 09-9-2014 12:48 AM

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maybe we should all have a google hangout with synthlight or something and discuss these types of things since he's not here that often

and he doesn't consider it to be "his problem" when the servers are obviously "his problem"

smartdude1212 09-9-2014 12:49 AM

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If only there were a doctor around here to prescribe something for FFR's staff infection.

gold stinger 09-9-2014 12:51 AM

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I used to work a prescription desk at a shoppers drug mart does that count

Godnick 09-9-2014 12:54 AM

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When stuff fell through before, this is what happened as an alternative: http://ffr.lightdarkness.net/ If Synthlight won't improve FFR, maybe an alternate site should be established for the best. Ater all, as Xiz mentioned, this site could be wayyyyyyyyyy better than it currently is. That feels like a bad idea though WHAT THE FUCK SYNTH.

Velocity 09-9-2014 12:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HammyMcSquirrel (Post 4196725)
IIRC server expenses aren't an issue for Synth because of some perks from his job. Was told that at some point years ago. Might be different now. I'm out of the loop on that sort of thing.

After getting DDosed so many times we were kicked out of the hosting company Synth worked out, so the free hosting perk no longer exist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4196727)
I should probably mention since I'm here I should point out



that there is a "contact us" button at the bottom of the front page.



how do you guys not know this stuff

It's sent off to an email no one can currently access.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumaestro (Post 4196730)
This would be an ideal time for synth to come in and explain what's going on. Just like it was the ideal time for synth to come in and explain what's going on forever ago.

We can't even get synth around when the site goes down. Zag and I have some access to restarting the parts of the site (sql/apache/sfs) but are unable to change any of the configuration.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4196735)
It's a shame that its 'not his problem' but refuses to give it up to Zag/Velo when updates need to happen.

I'm wondering what can be done so it can change...

Sadly nothing unless we move away from FFR itself.

lurker 09-9-2014 01:10 AM

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there are a decent amount of options if we do have to jump ship
setting up an independent ffr client and getting a free message board (at least temporarily) would keep things the most similar to the status quo, although i imagine we'd go full ffrmania and just not care about artist permissions since we'd have little plans to expand
a bit more out there would be setting up a new site under a new name but keeping the same basic engine and trying to carry over as much from the original ffr as possible, but that would require people to step up and take command of the new project
the most extreme would be to just jump to another rhythm game community, like stepmania (which sorely lacks a central community to drive new developments and expansion- i was involved in an extensive conversation about stepmania's apparent lack of popularity compared to osu the other day), although i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people wouldn't be willing to give up on ffr for whatever reason (and there would be a lot of reasons to choose from)

Poison- 09-9-2014 01:15 AM

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It doesn't seem like there's a winning solution here. We either wait here for the inevitable crash of FFR, or move somewhere else and deal with those consequences.

Godnick 09-9-2014 01:28 AM

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Where can Synthlight be contacted? This is starting to sound like a vitally important matter.

noname219 09-9-2014 01:29 AM

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We need to use a ouija board for that.

Razor 09-9-2014 01:31 AM

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I'm salty that my @flashflashrevolution.com email doesn't work anymore.

Whatever happened to that? :/

From what I gather so far, Synth just needs to hand over the site to the staff that are willing to improve it and keep it alive, rather than treating it as "not my problem" ~_~

bmah 09-9-2014 01:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Godnick (Post 4196763)
Where can Synthlight be contacted? This is starting to sound like a vitally important matter.

Zageron and a select few have his cell # for texting purposes. I can recall several instances in which Synthlight has failed to respond to even that - and he is typically contacted when the site has serious downtime issues. I have his Skype, but he appears extremely sporadically.

Latest opportunity would've been a potential one-on-one meeting with him and Zageron in Vancouver during an apparent conference trip, but Synth never ended up travelling there.

Trust me - we've definitely tried to contact him. Unfortunately it's entirely up to Synthlight to respond at all. We all understand that he has a busy outside life, but if he claims that FFR is his baby, we definitely deserve a bit more personal maintenance.

Xiz 09-9-2014 01:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bmah (Post 4196771)
Zageron and a select few have his cell # for texting purposes .... and he is typically contacted when the site has serious downtime issues.

Perhaps this should be considered a serious issue then. It might be time to let him know "Hey, it's time to pass down the reigns" or something along that nature. However everyone needs to be on board for this to happen.

choof 09-9-2014 01:45 AM

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ironically thirdstyle was created because of a few of these issues and everyone hates it

lurker 09-9-2014 02:01 AM

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the fact of the matter is that anyone who tries to start a serious "jump ship" movement, even though ffr is CLEARLY going nowhere, is going to look like an asshole to a lot of people on this site

bmah 09-9-2014 02:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4196772)
Perhaps this should be considered a serious issue then. It might be time to let him know "Hey, it's time to pass down the reigns" or something along that nature. However everyone needs to be on board for this to happen.

That has already been suggested to him I believe. Have yet to hear his thoughts on that matter. Our site's direction is quite frankly tied up by his decisions/lack of decisions. It really isn't as simple as concluding incompetence being the main factor that's hindering progress. If it was, then we could come up with an action plan that could take effect immediately. Reality? The site needs Synth.

gold stinger 09-9-2014 06:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 4196748)
It's sent off to an email no one can currently access.

You guys could have gotten tons of DMCA notices by now and no one knows because synthlight is inactive.

Cool.

Charu 09-9-2014 07:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4196773)
ironically thirdstyle was created because of a few of these issues and everyone hates it

I didn't like it because their game took out C-mods pretty much, lmao.

Also, if the underlying problem of why this website can not continue to improve and could be on the verge of being offline for good is because of the founder and creator of the website... eeeeeeh...

If people don't feel like leaving and want to continue to use this website, I'd imagine you guys would have to make separate domains to host content. We can already play files others have made on different domains via thanks to awesome arc using the game from this domain. Why not just move said content just like that and rewrite code so your stats and everything will still remain intact and recorded?

...I feel like someone already suggested that some time ago, but eehh... throwing it out there.

Also, if the forums are a big part of the space issue, move the forum... to a different domain. I mean I can see no other way.

But my suggestion is only if you guys can't persuade Synthlight to do SOMETHING for the website.

mr_candy 09-9-2014 08:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 4196692)
As it stands, no one person runs the site, most staf are split into 2 groups. Content/Event and Developers


Synthlight is the sole owner of the site and won't give up access to the backend (Server/cPanel/etc) even after several requests from Zag & myself.
I don't think I would even take the site if it was given to me.


Unknown and supposedly.
We're still using the same HDD on the server since 2006 with our amazing 80gb of space. The site has gone down so many times in the last few months because we've run out of space. As it stands we have about 3gb left before the server crashes for it's final time. Synth apparently had a new server and new HDD for the last several years but has never gotten around to ever installing it.


There's no money in FFR anywhere beyond that donation drive for the tournament/prize/whatever it was. Everyone basically does there job either because they want to or they enjoy it. That or they have nothing better to do and only keep doing it because they are the only one who knows how the backend even works.



No one looks out from FFR in a legal standpoint from what I can tell. Even if we received a DMCA, I don't even know where it would go. Hell, beyond PMing admins on the site, I don't even know if we have an email that we supposedly check.


Most Admin/Mod positions are debated on by bmah, Sky Kitten, OWA, Halogen, Sprite, arcnmx, emerald, Myself.


FFR doesn't have a leadership in any sense of the word. People basically have a single task and unless you ask them what's happening, the going ons of staff members are a complete mystery to even other staff members. Things like our apparent new monthly updates are half a surprise to me unless Prawn is unable to make the change himself and requires help.


I'm very salty about how things have turned out over the years, though I'm partially to blame.

Mod status is also basically for show and gives barely anything. Though that was mainly due to Zageron redoing the entire forum layout/permissions.

Developer status is also pointless since beyond Max, the rest are admins and just fuels our ego trip.

Working on FFR is like trying to revive a dead person, regardless of the amount of work put into it, you aren't getting anywhere unless you get a new person to take the place of the old. It doesn't help that large changes are basically impossible.


Pretty much what i thought, it's a damn shame.

So in a nutshell, nothing going to happen until synth either relinquishes ownership, or gives full control to someone.

*Psst* Admins, go make a ffr2 and we'll all come to it.

hi19hi19 09-9-2014 10:13 AM

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Thanks for the answers Velocity.
Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_candy (Post 4196828)
*Psst* Admins, go make a ffr2 and we'll all come to it.

Please no.
This has happened many times before (R2, Keybeat, Thirdstyle) and each time it's either epically failed or torn the userbase in two.

The only logical thing to do is to get this site under the control of someone who checks in more than every 4 months and establish leadership, revive the company structure, etc. etc.
Trying to save it by all jumping ship at once to a new site has never worked, and it probably never will for a few social-psychological reasons.

andy-o24 09-9-2014 10:25 AM

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Let's all get jobs at Wiredtree and complain to Synth in person.

-o24

mr_candy 09-9-2014 10:45 AM

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yeah hihih but sadly i don't think that'll ever be happening:/

Kraezymann 09-9-2014 10:54 AM

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It's nice to see everyone coming together to make a step forward for the community though!

Xiz 09-9-2014 12:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196850)
The only logical thing to do is to get this site under the control of someone who checks in more than every 4 months and establish leadership, revive the company structure, etc. etc.
Trying to save it by all jumping ship at once to a new site has never worked, and it probably never will for a few social-psychological reasons.

This.


Those who have direct access to Synth might be the key in order to get this done. However, what exactly needs to be said/done is something I am not sure of.
Perhaps if we get every admin (current and past) on board, and have everyone come together and let him know that something needs to change, something might happen.

(still spit-balling here)

VisD 09-9-2014 12:40 PM

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It's kinda sad to see how low the site has gone - that any of the stepfiles put up today won't reach the same kind of audience or play count that older files of objectively worse quality have. Things peaking with bad timing, I guess - and there's good things about having a small community as well, in any case.

For my part I'm willing to help out as possible, as a stepfile judge /if I was found to be sufficiently qualified/ for more efficient batches, as a fpp writer (what hi19 wrote in the other thread the other day is important), etc. But as this thread makes clear, the problem's deeper than that. Like Kraezy said though, it's nice to see open and actual discussion on this for once.

choof 09-9-2014 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_candy (Post 4196828)
*Psst* Admins, go make a ffr2 and we'll all come to it.

what is r2
what is kbo
what is thirdstyle

velocity's engine is arguably an ffr2

Crazyjayde 09-9-2014 12:48 PM

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Do not forget that moving from a domain to another forces an amendment of the terms determined in the artist's content "permission to use" contracts, as they are properly specified for usage by FFR. Now I don't know if there's any acceptable solution from a legal standpoint to solve this, but that would mean informing each individuals of the concerned party of the changes in clauses if you want to be properly protected from strikes.

To be honest, I've put effort in many projects to stimulate the community and often have had close to zero interest from it, so I'm pretty much done. For example, I've put my eager to continue contributing for my brother's "Song List Correction" project on hold especially because of how our current limitations restrict us from actively making changes or seeking help (props to bmah for makig his best).

So I second in saying it's a collective effort.

choof 09-9-2014 01:02 PM

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Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 13 (10 members and 3 guests)
choof, axith, mr_candy, noname219, One Winged Angel*, reuben_tate, Synthlight, TC_Halogen, trumaestro, VisD, Xiz

Hateandhatred 09-9-2014 01:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4196908)
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 13 (10 members and 3 guests)
choof, axith, mr_candy, noname219, One Winged Angel*, reuben_tate, Synthlight, TC_Halogen, trumaestro, VisD, Xiz

srs?

Charu 09-9-2014 01:08 PM

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Nope


justin_ator 09-9-2014 01:25 PM

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Stand by my statement that I'm happy to help where possible, including but not limited to the front of social media and updates

gold stinger 09-9-2014 01:27 PM

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excuse me but are the walls of the website breaking



nevermind must have been just my imagination. I'm really sick today.

justin_ator 09-9-2014 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 4196748)
It's sent off to an email no one can currently access.

Also, this seems like an easy fix. Can't the page just be edited with a different contact form to send to a different (new?) email address?.....

Xiz 09-9-2014 03:56 PM

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Was talking with Danceguy, and here is what we talked about in a nutshell:

Assuming worst case scenario where synth fails to respond... the only possible way that we can see a migration being beneficial would be if FFR's homepage would automatically redirect to a new URL taking all of it's members. This can be done easily if I am not mistaken?



So I guess we have two options:

A) We all band together (specifically admins who have more persuasion power to synth) and ask him to hand down the reigns for more freedom in updating the site
B) We migrate to a different website while redirecting FFR to the new domain, doing a copy + paste pretty much so we can take all old/new members so it's not another failed thirdstyle or something like that

noname219 09-9-2014 04:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4197031)
Was talking with Danceguy, and here is what we talked about in a nutshell:

Assuming worst case scenario where synth fails to respond... the only possible way that we can see a migration being beneficial would be if FFR's homepage would automatically redirect to a new URL taking all of it's members. This can be done easily if I am not mistaken?

I wouldn't do that without the website owner's consent.

gold stinger 09-9-2014 04:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by noname219 (Post 4197039)
I wouldn't do that without the website owner's consent.

it's not his problem?

would actually like a link to his linkedin page to confirm this

noname219 09-9-2014 04:23 PM

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The domain is registered under his name.
I don't even know if that's legal or not, but it feels like hijacking to me.

Charu 09-9-2014 04:30 PM

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Yeah, I wouldn't just flatout hijack it, which is why I suggest maybe making a new domain to transfer some of the heavy content over while also keeping everything else on this domain.

Xiz 09-9-2014 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4197053)
Yeah, I wouldn't just flatout hijack it, which is why I suggest maybe making a new domain to transfer some of the heavy content over while also keeping everything else on this domain.

This is more of what I meant. My apologies. Bad wording on my part.

lurker 09-9-2014 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4197043)
it's not his problem?

would actually like a link to his linkedin page to confirm this

i'm a bit iffy about posting it outright but given that it's a 100% public linkedin with perhaps the ONLY ffr mention on linkedin period it's not hard to find

Crazyjayde 09-9-2014 04:33 PM

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Lmao, owning a domain means it's registered under your property. I mean it's not called "owning a domain" for no reason. So if you want to go into option B hard, like real hard, it pretty much goes back to option A as you'd need to contact Synth for a transaction.

Kanzas 09-9-2014 04:37 PM

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I wouldn't mid being on the event staff, I enjoy that kinda of stuff.


Sign me ups, yesh? :3

M0nkeyz 09-9-2014 04:45 PM

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Dno what this guy's problem is. Is it so hard to give up a site if you don't even care about it? This is by far my favorite and one of the only rhythm games out there that I enjoy playing.

noname219 09-9-2014 04:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4197054)
This is more of what I meant. My apologies. Bad wording on my part.

It might only work with the forums. As far as I know, there's a thing called the same-origin policy that gives us restrictions with cross-domain requests.

rushyrulz 09-9-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 4196850)
This has happened many times before (R2, Keybeat, Thirdstyle) and each time it's either epically failed or torn the userbase in two.

But in each of those cases, there was always an FFR to come back to.

hi19hi19 09-9-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz (Post 4197078)
But in each of those cases, there was always an FFR to come back to.

Aren't you forgetting that long span where the site went down and there wasn't an FFR to come back to?

I mean I get your point, but I still think that it would be difficult, and probably not the path we should pursue until it's ABSOLUTELY clear there is no way to go forward with our current system.
I'm not yet convinced there is no hope for the site as it is now; we need to hear from Synth though.

If a concerted effort by people who can contact Synth resulted in Synth hand-waving or not showing up at all, then it would be a lot easier to get people on board to entirely move somewhere else together, you know?

gold stinger 09-9-2014 05:00 PM

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I think everything should start with a front page post to better get his attention, if he decides to visit the front page for like 10 seconds while logged out of his account.

MarioNintendo 09-9-2014 05:05 PM

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This could help?


Mahou 09-9-2014 05:15 PM

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:/ If there is anything I can do, let me know. I'm willing to do something to help keep this site alive if need be.

justin_ator 09-9-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MarioNintendo (Post 4197089)
This could help?

link

I would take that link down, it has personal information about Synth, his location, etc.

MarioNintendo 09-9-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by justin_ator (Post 4197112)
I would take that link down, it has personal information about Synth, his location, etc.

Erm... ok? I simply made a simple google search for synthlight.com and this is one of the first results that popped up. If it's too personal, by all means remove it, but it looked pretty public to me. Sorry if I misunderstood how the internet works.

DossarLX ODI 09-9-2014 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 4196692)
As it stands, no one person runs the site, most staff are split into 2 groups. Content/Event and Developers

This is telling me that there needs to be better efforts in delegation.

Let's give some examples on how certain tasks could be split up more specifically:
- Game Managers. These people are concerned with the content ingame and other administrative parts of the game (e.g. Tournament Dashboard score adding) and defining goals for the game (e.g. have the 10th official start in december). Actually handling the batches is given responsibility to Batch Managers.
- Batch Managers. These people look at how the batches are running, set sprint goals for batches, and try to make the judging process smooth.
- Event Managers. These people help in actively providing new activities on the site (e.g. fundraising for the official tournament, the StepCon, and so forth). Again, this is another case where responsibility is handed to a different organization of the site.
- The Judge Team. These are the users that judge the batches within a given amount of time.

Notice how here there is a clear delegation of responsibility. The Batch Managers have the responsibility of making sure the Judge Team process runs smoothly and accomodate for obstacles. This is not the responsibility of the Game Manager. The Game Manager may propose a goal (e.g. reach $2,000 for another official tournament) but that responsibility is then handed to the Event Managers.

Does this look familiar to any software developers out there? Ever heard of SCRUM? In SCRUM you have:

- Product Owner: Define what features to put on a product according to a customer's needs.
- SCRUM Master: Make sure the process runs smoothly, keeps track of the development team.
- SCRUM Team: The people who actually implement the product.
- Stakeholders: Anyone affected by the outcome of the product. By definition, all above three are stakeholders, but stakeholders can also be from different organizations in the company.

SCRUM goes by sprints, usually 2 week sprints. Let's apply the methodology here. User Stories are descriptions of what a customer wants (in this case, let's say the customer is the entire site's userbase).

User Stories:
- GAME MANAGER: We need more files for the next Official FFR Tournament.
- BATCH MANAGER: Alright guys, we need files for the next Official FFR Tournament. Starting from September 7th, we will have a 2 week sprint of getting the August Batch judged. User story: Finish judging the batch this sprint so users can decide which files to send next batch, and gather more files for the next official tournament.
- JUDGE TEAM: Now it's the responsibility of each judge to finish his or her section of the batch, and if there are obstacles, inform in a timely fashion. The accountability factor needs to be there.

In SCRUM you also have daily meetings to get the SCRUM Master (in FFR's case, this could be the Batch Manager) up to date on how the SCRUM Team is doing. These daily meetings answer three important questions: What did you do yesterday? What did you do today? Are there any obstacles that will prevent you from finishing this user story by the end of this sprint cycle?

Sprints are incremental and work towards achieving greater goals (in this case, gathering files for the official tournament but it has to be done step by step).

So I read Synthlight's LinkedIn and how he's now a Vice President of Operations at a company, yet he still isn't delegating responsibility to other users on this site. There seems to be this massive issue of trust on this site, especially considering well... users aren't being paid. Synthlight I can see having an element of trust in delegation because the employees are in a work situation where they can get fired and lose income. You have developers, networkers, and other people on FFR willing to volunteer but their talents never get to see the light of day or some kind of argument hinders their chances of attempting to contribute to the site. I can't say this is what Synthlight's mindset is, but the way I see it is I can see Synthlight thinking "I spent a lot of money for servers and keeping this site up, I don't want people who aren't getting paid to be able to access stuff from the backend." This kind of paranoia is obviously hurting this site and it needs to stop. Where did the Managerial and accountability aspect go?

Synthlight claims he has a new server but never got around to installing it. He can handle the physical cabling where he is, and then have networkers here help with the configuration of the DNS nameservers and such. I'm learning about networking at Akamai Technologies and I think choof is also a networker. There are users willing to contribute to this site.

Trumpet63 09-9-2014 06:39 PM

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What's most important?

Well, let's monitor the data storage so we don't crash the site, that would be first priority (if that is indeed a problem). If we can't fix that then it would be grounds enough to leave the site.

Also Dossar, you're fupping amazing.

rushyrulz 09-9-2014 06:44 PM

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All I wanna do is mash arrows D:

gold stinger 09-9-2014 07:03 PM

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I'm going to go mash arrows right now.

Trumpet63 09-9-2014 07:16 PM

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I blame the fact that Destiny came out today...
Nobody wants to work

Wayward Vagabond 09-9-2014 07:39 PM

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just an fyi but if there is serious talk about taking ffr and moving it somewhere else remember that synth still owns ffr. its his and taking it would be stealing. he has threatened taking legal action before and would definitely do it again. if you guys want advice on how to handle the situation and what to expect from synth then talk to tass and the gang that tried to do it first.

choof 09-9-2014 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by justin_ator (Post 4197112)
I would take that link down, it has personal information about Synth, his location, etc.

it's public domain whois information, he has the right to post it and the only way to block people from viewing it is to enable private whois (which generally costs extra)

a whois lookup of flashflashrevolution.com gives the same information, and this one stands out

"Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-12-03 05:42:00Z "

choof 09-9-2014 08:09 PM

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ps I already applied for a moderator position of bits and bytes and I was basically told "quit shitposting and we'll think about it"


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