Originally Posted by mi40 (Post 4740235)

the absolute state of education in america

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4740240)

not as good as sonic cd tbh

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4740239)

ur just jelly that you don't got dat 🍑 👏👏👏

Originally Posted by mi40 (Post 4740243)

i'm not focused on any of that right now. i'm focused on taking advantage of the extremely volatile stock market right now. while people are watching for the newest cardi b music video i'm watching out for upcoming earnings reports and reading up on how companies are doing so i can make new investments accordingly so when the inevitable crash of the economy comes after the stimulus payments and eviction moratoriums run out, i'm prepared for it. see you guys in 2022 when the market finally gets back to pre-corona employment numbers.

Originally Posted by mi40 (Post 4740243)

i'm not focused on any of that right now. i'm focused on taking advantage of the extremely volatile stock market right now. while people are watching for the newest cardi b music video i'm watching out for upcoming earnings reports and reading up on how companies are doing so i can make new investments accordingly so when the inevitable crash of the economy comes after the stimulus payments and eviction moratoriums run out, i'm prepared for it. see you guys in 2022 when the market finally gets back to pre-corona employment numbers.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4740245)

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4740244)

i mean you can appreciate music and be financially literate but ok boomer

Originally Posted by mi40 (Post 4740249)

thank you for entertaining my rants, cardi b i have no actual opinion of but my previous housemate blasted cardi b all the time at 0500 AM right before i got up for the stock market so i'm inclined to dislike their music.

Originally Posted by EtienneSM (Post 4740250)

That's a pretty valid reason tbh

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4740255)

all I hear in this thread is "waah me no like pussy stank ��"

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4740255)

all I hear in this thread is "waah me no like pussy stank ��"

Originally Posted by Gradiant (Post 4740257)

We've already got Cupcakke for that though

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie (Post 4740265)

I was so fucking confused at first cause I saw posts about it before I realized it was a song, I thought it was a new term for white people like WASPs but slightly different somehow??

Originally Posted by mi40 (Post 4740249)

thank you for entertaining my rants, cardi b i have no actual opinion of but my previous housemate blasted cardi b all the time at 0500 AM right before i got up for the stock market so i'm inclined to dislike their music.

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740283)

Women objectify themselves, because they know it is to their advantage. Similarly, this video displays such. It displays sexual objectification for massive monetary gain, without any virtue or display of moral clarity.

That is the great irony of proclaiming it as "culturally significant." It still comes down to them wh0ring themselves out rather than doing anything of any productive utility. It still comes down to some man somewhere toiling away for potentially hundreds or thousands of hours, producing for society, in order to pay her tuition "for a kiss."

There is no "sexist power structure." Society is the collection of individual decisions made. Don't blame society, blame yourself. It cuts far deeper than the "Western society = bad" memes propagated by professors. This is evolutionary principle at play here.

Women are free to shave their heads, dress like guys, and act stoic, since guys will turn away from them more often or assume they are gay.

But most choose not to, because every decision has consequences, and most women have judged the advantages as worth it. That's largely because when you live as a man, no one chases you around competing to give you free stuff. Your comfort isn't even an entity of consideration. Your value is not innate, but vested in your continued ability to toil away, skillfully working hard to produce a result. Your value is in your talents, not in simply existing.

So most women like to be a prize; not a mere prize, but at LEAST a prize. There's nothing wrong with that, as you might as well use every advantage you have.

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4740268)

same

anyways time to give my hot(tm) take

so the song is significant not for the content but the controversy surrounding it.

as etienne already mentioned, sexually explicit songs are nothing new, when sung by men or women. but there's two things here that stand out: the song is more explicit than other sexual songs by contemporary artists (e.g. anaconda by nicki minaj, whistle by flo rida (ew)) and the song and the accompanying music video portray women as in charge of their sexuality and dominant over their partners (who we'd assume are men). music today is indeed very sexist, and women-- especially black women-- are often objectified.

we then have the music video which o n l y includes women, predominately black of all shades. an exception is kylie jenner, which i think is an interesting inclusion. she is very much white but her and her family have been accused over the years of co-opting black culture for money and fame. some think she shouldn't have been in the video at all, as her presence is detracting from the attention that cardi b and megan thee stallion should have instead. i don't know what to think of it, really. we also see normani at the end of the video who is talented af and let's us know it, but she's spoken out about racism in the music industry before (edit: and has not seen the meteoric rise in her career that she deserves). her music video "motivation" was also criticized as sexual when, really, it was pretty modest compared to other music videos when we think about it. why is that?

when people decry this song, they call it trashy. specifically, trashy. that's not the wording we use when a male singer makes a sexually explicit song, or when a woman is sexualized in a male singer's music video... or when a white or white passing woman makes a sexually explicit music video. i think this points towards the intersection of racism and sexism in both the music industry and in society as a whole.

and that's why i love this song. it's also a b o p

Originally Posted by Gradiant (Post 4740280)

Unpopular opinion, don't @ me:
I think people tend to put more weight towards whether or not an artist or the people in the music video are POC or a women rather than if the song is actually 'good'. I'd call this song trashy, not mainly because of the content (I actually enjoy listening to shit like 'my neck, my back' or cupcakke, whether it's their actual songs or the mashups with pop songs that are all over youtube), but because I think its just trash in general. The song to me is just incredibly boring, and pairing that with it coming from an also incredibly overrated artist AND a small bit if it being sex for sex's sake, I just really don't like this song. Unfortunately because of the first line of this post, generally if people don't like songs like this its seen as it because of the person being racist or sexist rather than not liking it because it's boring af

Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 4740293)

Famous, beloved and universally accepted as great white people were also trash and we noticed

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4740268)

music today is indeed very sexist, and women-- especially black women-- are often objectified.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4740294)

There's....a lot to unpack here and truthfully speaking I feel any effort to do so is gonna go unappreciated so I'll just leave it at " hard disagree" and move on.

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4740296)

dunno about this one, miley cyrus got fuckin owned for that stage performance with the blurred lines dude

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4740295)

edit: miley cyrus is actually an interesting counterexample. i'd argue that in the bangerz era she attempted to appropriate black culture as well, but she did so very crudely and distastefully (e.g. god awful twerking). in her latest ep she tried to get into rapping as well. i'm not sure what her music persona really is at the moment-- she seems to be everywhere

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740283)

There is no "sexist power structure." Society is the collection of individual decisions made. Don't blame society, blame yourself. It cuts far deeper than the "Western society = bad" memes propagated by professors. This is evolutionary principle at play here.

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740283)

Women are free to shave their heads, dress like guys, and act stoic, since guys will turn away from them more often or assume they are gay.

But most choose not to, because every decision has consequences, and most women have judged the advantages as worth it. That's largely because when you live as a man, no one chases you around competing to give you free stuff. Your comfort isn't even an entity of consideration. Your value is not innate, but vested in your continued ability to toil away, skillfully working hard to produce a result. Your value is in your talents, not in simply existing.

So most women like to be a prize; not a mere prize, but at LEAST a prize. There's nothing wrong with that, as you might as well use every advantage you have.

Originally Posted by mi40 (Post 4740302)

imagine listening to cardi b and not three six mafia

Originally Posted by BigHayden1 (Post 4740312)

i dont understand the ben shapiro memes from WAP

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie (Post 4740315)

it's because his wife who is a ~doctor~ said that women who have wet pussies must be ill and have a yeast infection or something

so basically ben shapiro has never satisfied his wife, literally confirmed BY HIM in an attempt at a.... brag?

its the funniest fucking thing to ever happen

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie (Post 4740315)

it's because his wife who is a ~doctor~ said that women who have wet pussies must be ill and have a yeast infection or something

so basically ben shapiro has never satisfied his wife, literally confirmed BY HIM in an attempt at a.... brag?

its the funniest fucking thing to ever happen

Originally Posted by Walrusizer (Post 4740306)

So first you say this, and then you give a clear example of 'sexist power structures' while simultaneosly claiming that they don't exist.

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740429)

Please cite where I gave an example of a "sexist power structure." All I did was state facts about people's chosen behavior.

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740429)

So the reason people make decisions is because of their environment. Okay. But what else? You're painting individuals into a viciously powerless corner, in which case, individuals basically don't exist in any meaningful way.

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740429)

Following that reasoning, there is nothing BUT the environment, in which case, there ought to be no grievances about "sexist power structures," since we are all one harmonious cycle of energies within nature.

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740429)

Isn't an individual him or herself part of someone else's environment? And that share of someone else's environment, in itself, carries an incremental weight in their decision-making process. Thus everyone literally has a slight bit of power over everyone else. It's a matter of whether one chooses to opt in or out; cooperate or defect. Why squander such power just to win an argument about how hopeless and powerless one is? If you're like to rise above, then rise above.

Originally Posted by Walrusizer (Post 4740432)

That "chosen behavior" is what I am referring to, just like how society "chose" to be racist in the 1800s. If you semantically don't want to consider this to be a 'power structure', fine, I guess, but the effects are the same.

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740550)

Unfortunately, you haven't nailed down any coherent "sexism," which you implied is against women. Most of what I'm seeing is people imagining things and then giving into the very system they claim they want to transcend. To hold women fully morally inculpable for their decisions despite making half the aggregate daily decisions makes modern feminism seem like true sexism that disempowers the very people in question.

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0 (Post 4740547)

bussy

Originally Posted by knuckles2224 (Post 4740605)

Song is trash, video sucks. too. Watched it once to see what the fuss was about.

I'm annoyed cause i know girls gonna be at house parties playing this lame as song saying "there's some hoes in this house" -_- mood already killed

Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740550)

Then define a power structure as any detected source of influence or force imparted throughout a group of beings through which a response is given. So things only have power over you to the extent that you let them have power over you, since you ultimately must make a decision as to how you will respond. Thus if you still let them have power over you, you are part of the problem rather than the solution.

The exception is when physical force is used, which isn't the case in the vast, vast majority of "sexist grievances" uttered today about how people feel that they are expected to act or dress a certain way. Well expectations in those regards apply to everyone. There is nobody who is seen without being predicted, guessed, or stereotyped as being about to act in a certain manner that is specific to perceived characteristics.



It's interesting that you just debunked yourself, unwittingly missing the point entirely.

If everything is largely just environmental factors, then one can't even find racist people morally culpable for their actions, as they're just following the herd's traditional practices, which, being the default position, leaves them morally unscathed. "I was just following orders."

In fact, you literally can't even transition from a land that practices chattel slavery to a land devoid of chattel slavery if there are only "environmental factors." You would only have steady-state slavery for eternity. To achieve abolition, some individuals still, at some point, have to consider their own principles, independent of environmental circumstances, to transcend the herd and strive to bring forth the very collective they hoped for.

One's internal brain state is in fact part of every other observer's environment, so one might as well use it.



Unfortunately, you haven't nailed down any coherent "sexism," which you implied is against women. Most of what I'm seeing is people imagining things and then giving into the very system they claim they want to transcend. To hold women fully morally inculpable for their decisions despite making half the aggregate daily decisions makes modern feminism seem like true sexism that disempowers the very people in question.