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Hi Smitty!

Just wanted to let you know I'm proud of you for trying to kick the habit. I don't have personal experience smoking the stuff, but I saw what it does to people.

My sister started smoking spice around the end of high school. My parents and I tried and tried to get her to stop but everytime we pushed to seperate her from the drugs she pushed to seperate from us. Eventually it got so bad she just up and left after having a fight about it with my dad. We thought okay, she'll be back in a day or two, but the days turned into months and the months into years.

She left for almost 2 years and lived on the streets in Kensington Philadelphia, living off thrown out doughnuts from the dumpster of a dunkin doughnuts. She emptied her bank acount, was held up at knife point, traded her car for drugs, and stole from stores generating warrants for her arrest. Eventually she gave up almost everything for the habit.

This is going to sound really cliché, but when she was pretty much at her lowest point (she admits that she thinks she was dying), a preist in Philly found her, talked to her and virtually nursed her back into somewhat decent health. He was able to get our information out of her, we were able to convince her to go into rehab, which she did.

And when she got out of rehab, she went right back to it.

It absolutely crushed my parents.

It took us another year and a half to finally get her to stop. She's 23 now, and basically lost 5 years of her life to synthetic marijuana. But the good news is she finally turned the corner about a year ago. She finally decided that it was time to stop, that the drug was ruining her life.

After seeing it, I'm convinced that the synthetics have such a strong addictive hold over people that nothing anyone else does can get them to stop once they've become addicted. The desire to stop has to come from the addicted person.

Reading through here I know you've already made that decision. It's going to be hard, but you can do it Smitty.

Here's hoping a story helps out on a tough withdrawl day.

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That's quite a story manti... I am very sorry your family had to go through your sisters addiction i am glad she was able to recover and make the choice to stop. Even though the choice is made, the drug can always grab you back at any time. They banned spice a few days ago and a few shops ALREADY came out with new blends, i just bought one.. but i have not yet smoked. I really wish i didn't buy it i should throw it away.. just knowing they had it there i had to that's how powerful synthetics are.


I just got back from high tyde i don't want to relapse i'm worried i should just use the kratom i have 30 capsules where are you spenner you seemed knowledgeable about extract

The back of the kratom reads as:

All natural Full Spectrum
Kratom Powder & Extract

• Relieves Minor Pain*
• Relieves Minor Stress*
Active ingredients: Mitragyna speciosa

Use with caution, Do NOT use while operating a
motor vehicle or heavy machinery. Do NOT take
if you are pregnant or nursing.

*These claims have not been evaluated by the FDA, and this product is
not intended to treat, prevent, cure, or diagnose any illness.

Not for sale to minors.

The back of Black Diamond reads as:

This product complies with all federal and state legislation. Not for human consumption. For aromatherapy use only. Does not contain any jwh, cp, hu, am, or win compounds.

Contains - A proprietary blend of herbs & spices composed of turnera diffusa, verbascum thapsus, along with natural and synthetic scents. Essential oils and aromatic enhancers. The manufacturer and seller of this product takes no responsibility or liability for the incorrect or misuse of this product.

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I know Kratom is used to appease opium withdrawl or anti-depressant meds. Acts like morphine but with actual psychological benefits. Might be good to alleviate your case considering there's not much side effects to its usage, especially if it is natural and infused, I'd be sure to look more at the content of those brands.
Only thing I know is one friend tried it once and was displeased by the tase. If that's your case, get some lemon juice or honey in that tea.

Don't know what Spenner says about it, but that's the little I know. I'd still gather input before trying.

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Wow. I had an idea that spice was bad/grimey, but I had no idea what it actually was or that it was so dangerous.

Best of luck to you Smitty, and to your sister Manti. thanks for sharing your stories and spreading awareness about this because I seriously had no idea the extent of this drug's shittiness

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I wrote a huge wall of text about my experiences of knowing someone struggling with addiction. My University has this stupid session timer and it expired at some point. Guess it's my fault for not CTRL+C'ing the post.

I just want you to know that I care and really do hope you can kick spice to the curb and just forget about it. We all care about another community member here and I hope I can help you with any problems you have. You can message me on Facebook if you need some cheering up or advice about something - name is Adam Elmo - and when I finish class or have access to a computer (at home) I can respond to your message. I don't have a phone at the moment so I can't really access it on the fly, but hopefully I can help you whenever you need it. Don't hesitate and don't be a stranger. You can do it Bryan, I have faith and I know you can beat this.

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Hello there. I am still using the kratom and not smoking spice at all. Everything is a fucking mess here right now. r.i.p high tyde

http://wavy.com/2014/02/13/investiga...in-hayes-area/

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Dude keep going strong, just read the entire thread and I hope at least the kratom is helping you kick it, like people have been saying and you yourself, brew it in tea and just focus on the normal things man, you're one hell of a fighter and you can totally get through this, you've seriously got some willpower and you will get through this

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Good morning everyone. Things are still bad here all the spice shops keep getting herbal incense back in regardless of everything that has been going on. I'm so sick of this that i really want to leave, fuck these broken laws. Still using kratom to get through my days.. and my gf has been giving me suboxone to force me to sleep for 10 - 12 hours.
She is going through extreme detox and withdrawals too from spice and heroin gonna keep her here for a long time no more fucking drugs

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Damn, stay strong man and keep fighting, y'all both can get through all this bullshit together. At least you've got someone close you can relate to and y'all can carry eachother through it. I'm glad she took the Subo route rather than cold turkey, it's much easier too ween from and it's less likely that she'll go back.

Drink pleanty of water man, and I'm no religious person but I pray that you and her are able to get better because I know how awful all this shit is.

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I've been watching this thread closely, now that i'm unbanned i want to say that i'm really impressed by your strenght, go on smitty, you both need to get out of this.

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This is honestly really awesome that you guys are fighting through like this. It really sucks that you even have to be subjected to all this, but damn dude just look for that light at the end of the tunnel so to speak, it might seem like it'll take a while to get there but you know for sure that you CAN get there.

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Keep it up, you'll get through it.

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i hope you both get better... :/ this is terrible.

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How's it going? Did you toss the stuff you bought?

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Hello there. Thanks for the kind words as usual. I'm still clean but noticing people getting sick who are still using the current blends of herbal incense. They are turning yellow... kidney failure most likely it's really unfortunate.
The chemical compound is so far from the original JWH that it's probably not even a drug anymore. I feel that spice fell into the realm of poison. Cavernio, i didn't throw out that black diamond i sold it to my buddy a few hours after i got it. I physically feel amazing now and i can't stop eating food all throughout the day.
Things are okay around the house staying productive still i have become quite the neat freak but my emotions are funky. Anxiety and i have weird episodes of bipolar from time to time. My gf disappeared recently for a few days but i found her she is back i think she smoked spice though lol dummy i forgive though

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iirc spenner recommended to me to buy kratom online, the stuff they sell at smoke shops is generally pretty weak and not pure kratom (or something)

I'm really not that interested in it, just saw it at a nearby smoke shop and was curious.

Super glad you're feeling better though; nice to see your community's smoke shops getting owned

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I'm off the kratom now too. If i ever feel i can't make it i'll definitely order some borneo / thai kratom online in the powdered form. I had ordered some prior but i cancelled order i don't need it anymore i don't have anymore physical withdrawal symptoms it's great. The shop version aren't half bad if you pop 6 capsules and go work a shift or something.
Thanks! and yeah, theyre getting owned alright but a few are so monopolized that it's impossible to shut them down, because of the amount of lawyers they possess.

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I know how you feel smitty, but other than trying to help people who can still be saved, don't bother, and i'd actually suggest distancing yourself from people who are still using the drug - any drug. I'm going to be blunt here, sadly these people will only go down, unless they make a change like you did. Their influence is as poisonous as the substance they're using.

What about the woman next door? Is she pregnant by you? is she the same one in the picture? I'm curious as to what are you planning to do with your life right now that you're kicking the habit and getting rid of all that poison, both physically and mentally.

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smitty's just trying to help people who are in the same situation that he was in

don't be so misanthropic

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hell yeah, man. keep going!