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XelNya 08-20-2023 04:57 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Force (Post 4791335)
From a base pov, I can see where Haku is coming from just based on numbers alone.
3 wolves to 8 town is disadvantage in many ways, and also having our one-night vigi to begin with can basically make this game go from 3 to 8, to 3 to 5 and a MYLO situation *really* quickly; and that's not even counting our paranoid sword-wielder.

I do want to still vote, though, because voting is our power. If vigi doesn't shoot today, I think that's safer for town to ensure we don't lose on the next day, and shoots N2 while there's a better chance of hitting (if that makes sense).
I wanna pick your brain a sec -

Does Rean or Fie affect how you view this?

I'll also front-load why I ask: I think your thoughts are incomplete possibly.

Hakulyte 08-20-2023 05:21 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Force (Post 4791335)
From a base pov, I can see where Haku is coming from just based on numbers alone.
3 wolves to 8 town is disadvantage in many ways, and also having our one-night vigi to begin with can basically make this game go from 3 to 8, to 3 to 5 and a MYLO situation *really* quickly; and that's not even counting our paranoid sword-wielder.

I do want to still vote, though, because voting is our power. If vigi doesn't shoot today, I think that's safer for town to ensure we don't lose on the next day, and shoots N2 while there's a better chance of hitting (if that makes sense).
I think you're missing the point that the jailer has a private chat and can also kill the target in the night. Town has 2 kill powers in theory even if the most likely scenario is that the jailed target is town and nothing happens.

There's even a scenario where they jail Millium and can technically know the entire setup after.

If it was just a regular jailer I would understand the lack of interest, but this game is different.

MixMasterLar 08-20-2023 05:39 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
I'm glad the jailer has options doing the night that help us solve

But town as a whole still has to come to consensus and letting one person do the work behind the scenes doesn't seem like the pro strat here

Hakulyte 08-20-2023 06:13 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4791355)
I'm glad the jailer has options doing the night that help us solve

But town as a whole still has to come to consensus and letting one person do the work behind the scenes doesn't seem like the pro strat here
It actually is because town has plenty of PRs and keeping the game in the dark also keeps the game in the dark for scum which town heavily need right now.


By example, if nearly every player wants to insta one player except one town player that is completely right on the money. Chances are that this player is Millium and poof voilą, town loss the game. By not providing voting data and trends, scum is stuck kicking a player out of the game randomly and that's vital here.


I would tend to no lynch every phase because we don't have to deal with the votes from scum team. There's no bias to fight against.


What you're suggesting imo is only optimal after they kill the jailer, but right now it makes no sense. If I was scum, I would promote going for an insta and just misdirect town enough so they mislynch. It's easy here and fill two goals at same time. It solves the game faster for them and give them more data. This is literally a war of information.

MixMasterLar 08-20-2023 06:25 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Haku the number of wolves there are never goes down of town doesn't kill anyone

T-Force 08-20-2023 06:40 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4791353)
I wanna pick your brain a sec -

Does Rean or Fie affect how you view this?

I'll also front-load why I ask: I think your thoughts are incomplete possibly.
No. I'd imagine Rean's ability is based off of a person they want to join; not a character.

Fie, based on how I understand that role, doesn't pro-long the death announcement, but just the flip.

Lightknight924 08-20-2023 06:42 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Oh shoot guys I'm alive and here now! I ended up sleeping most of yesterday to catch up from overnights irl job...I have a lot of reading to do but I've skimmed a bit of the thread...need to catch up...will be around for end of day though at least.

T-Force 08-20-2023 06:43 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4791354)
I think you're missing the point that the jailer has a private chat and can also kill the target in the night. Town has 2 kill powers in theory even if the most likely scenario is that the jailed target is town and nothing happens.

There's even a scenario where they jail Millium and can technically know the entire setup after.

If it was just a regular jailer I would understand the lack of interest, but this game is different.
And I don't trust one person's opinion on who to jail versus the consensus of people voting.

T-Force 08-20-2023 06:43 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
We can try to sway a jailer to pick who we want, but ultimately it is up to them. I don't think giving them that power is necessarily in our best interest.

T-Force 08-20-2023 06:44 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4791355)
I'm glad the jailer has options doing the night that help us solve

But town as a whole still has to come to consensus and letting one person do the work behind the scenes doesn't seem like the pro strat here
Didn't even read this post, so it looks like I basically sheeped it, but yeah. This.

T-Force 08-20-2023 06:45 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Force (Post 4791358)
No. I'd imagine Rean's ability is based off of a person they want to join; not a character.
Elaboration:
If I was Rean, how I interpret the ability is "I want to join the team of mellon_collie," rather than "I want to join the team of Fie."

Hakulyte 08-20-2023 06:52 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightknight924 (Post 4791359)
Oh shoot guys I'm alive and here now! I ended up sleeping most of yesterday to catch up from overnights irl job...I have a lot of reading to do but I've skimmed a bit of the thread...need to catch up...will be around for end of day though at least.
How early can you be here before the end of the day ? It's not a big read and most of the posts can be skimmed tbh.

Hakulyte 08-20-2023 06:56 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Ok so, who's the obvious scum you guys spotted that must be voted out and is completely worth the risk of losing the game ?

the sun fan 08-20-2023 07:00 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
votecount:
Zenith (1)- Lar

Hakulyte 08-20-2023 07:05 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
I think even if everyone wanted to insta someone, it would still be difficult to do so. Remember that majority vote without insta do not hang someone.

XelNya 08-20-2023 07:10 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Force (Post 4791363)
Elaboration:
If I was Rean, how I interpret the ability is "I want to join the team of mellon_collie," rather than "I want to join the team of Fie."
I operated on this assumption as well, my concern in the question was how Fie's delayed flip plays into what you outlined

Or the idea that Rean is scum effectively and how it would interact with the 3-8 becoming a 4-7 effectively.

Hakulyte 08-20-2023 07:13 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Vigi bad shot + Third party leaning scum + mislynch = mylo next phase.

That's how ridiculous this game is.

Hakulyte 08-20-2023 07:16 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
The game could have no merlin and you could still lose next phase.

Hakulyte 08-20-2023 07:17 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Actually, the game could end tonight if too many town PRs target Laura.

T-Force 08-20-2023 07:17 PM
Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4791368)
I operated on this assumption as well, my concern in the question was how Fie's delayed flip plays into what you outlined

Or the idea that Rean is scum effectively and how it would interact with the 3-8 becoming a 4-7 effectively.
It doesn't. Whoever is delayed being flipped, we still assume they're town seeing as that's a wolf kill no matter what, right? We just don't know what specifically they are.

As for the possibility of 4-7, yeah, that sucks p hard, but that just makes it that more urgent for us to not wait on voting someone out, or hoping and praying that jailer hits.

Regardless, I want my fate to be in my hands, dammit. I'm not letting a jailer determine that for me.


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