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You can't say the discussions are valid but then suggest we don't continue then until they give new reads

The reason we are having these discussions is that they won't give reads/even pretend to be productive

You are in effect telling us to cease pressure and I don't like it

You know DBP, you said Haku and Storn should be looked at/scrutinized today, why don't you place a vote on one of them?

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I've been begging Raeko AND Storn for reads

As for Raeko: YES. She has INTERACTED with people. YES she has given thoughts on things. This isn't what I WANT. I WANT a full read fro her. EOD she gave us a town pile, a.pile that's not quite town, but the only lynch she was okay with was Storn...

As for Storn he went deep under the radar in my eyes and I DON'T think he's put up a list of anyone? Someone correct me if this is wronh

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread
 

Raeko and Storn: I want a fucking list of reads and your own thoughts within 24 hours from now.

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I'm not justifying his past behavior or exonerating him of criticism, because his play yesterday was undeniably bad, I guess I'm trying to avoid tunnel-vision because that's how it usually manifests with me in these games

linger on their bad (or even scummy) play from yesterday while putting on blinders to their current play leads to tunnel-vision

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do you think storn's refusal to give reads is a scummy behavior? in this case I'd read it more as "stubbornness" which is on average NAI IMO

in early game I think tilting and refusing to cooperate is more of a town sign because human emotion is more likely to dictate town gameplay than the crafted, self-aware behavior of a wolf

I guess ultimately keep pressing him but just make sure you're able to periodically take a step back and see the bigger picture

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Lar, what are the odds of us solving Haku on the grounds of solving other people? Do you think we should look into him today or another lbase?

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Phase. Yep. Meds are kicking in hardcore

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DBP has anyone found an issue with giving reads as town? I feel like if you're town, you'd WANT to discuss your thoughts about other people

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thank you for this

I feel like I've mentioned it in another game recently and it's not an easy thing to nail down because on one hand I want to push in the direction I think is right, but on the other hand I don't want people to blindly agree with what i'm saying, which is partly what led to FG not getting lynched and things falling apart

it's just tough

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It's a mystery game so how can we solve his claim without any confirmation from another role? And hell, that doesn't mean that can be trusted 100% either because mystery

Haku's pulled that fake claim and bought phases for the team before.

Saying you can claim in an effort to get out of pressure is claiming I don't care how he tries to spin it, and then he survives and all he can offer is "well I didn't hardclaim, act like I didn't claim"

And Storn is right there, in real time, goose-stepping with that notion that Haku didn't actually claim. Go read that quote chain I just posted

Haku's the biggest offender and I think he's planning to play decoy again so his partners can go under the radar again. He did that and got town PR killed last game we played and I think he's faking here too. Unless he gives a very compelling reason to keep him alive he needs to go.

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What I see on the outside is two people arguing with each other and both parties digging their heels into the ground and I'm afraid that this reinforces your scumreads for bad reasons. I don't want you to drop your scumreads, I want you to push from different angles. If he's a wolf then nail him to the cross with a multi-faceted approach

Keep up pressure and follow what you believe in but harping on a single point for 4 hours is the opposite of evolution. It's stagnation, and if this becomes the focal point of the entire phase then we've effectively wasted an entire day if you're wrong.

RE: Haku and storn, I don't know who the higher priority is, but given the Haku minefield I'd pressure storn first

what are your strongest thoughts this game storn? you don't need a reads list, just tell us what your strongest inclinations are so far.

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread
 

Can I take this post as you're wolf reading Haku? I'm sorry, I'm starting to get incoherent

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do you think he should claim today? he said that he only said the "claim" thing yesterday is because he had to leave and might not be back in time to defend himself if the current momentum kept up.

it sounds like you're suggesting that the only resolution is to force a claim out of him, is this right?

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If theres three people I want to solve right now tbh it's Storn/Haku/Raeko. I've NEVER read Raeko as wolf but when I looked at her interactions with Lar my gut turned horrible and I don't like it at all

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both Haku and storn, I also want you to look at Xiz's final reads post and tell me to what extent you agree and disagree with his conclusions.

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DBP that's bullshit.


Don't come in here, try to cool pressure on people but then not wanna push because hero status or whatever

You want me to take anything you're saying serious? Start posting theories and get in there

And frankly what I want to see is you not ignoring me about your vote. Don't come in and say it's ok to pressure people or someone should be looked at and not fucking place a vote. I don't want to hear about your fear of being twg-jesus or whatever the shit just do something and make a difference.

I rather you be wrong then be this lukewarm poster not getting shit done. If it makes you feel better, unless you're preaching to kill Haku I ain't planning to follow you blindly

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in a similar vein to what I mentioned above I think the most effective way of determining her alignment is to get her to produce and commit to reads

raeko's responses were pretty gross but focusing on that is getting us absolutely nowhere today

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Are we assuming that someone shot Bolthe and the wolf kill failed in this scenario? I just want to know if I'm on the same page here. Please let me know if I'm with you on this thought process

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Assume I replaced out and you're the replacement; you realize I'm town, that I'm stuck in this situation and that I did this as a wolf before. Xiz and Bolth mannn flipped town and I have a game where I did the exact same thing as a wolf. I thought I'd be a dumbass and replicate my wolf game in my town game to see what happens, but here you are in those dirty shoes.

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I'll try prodding a little harder for reads. Town Raeko is more of a.free think

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I want to win this fucking game like the rest of us, and I've come to the conclusion that if I behave in a way similar to my last few games I'm working against my win condition. Rational thinking, probably not, but at the end of the day I've decided I'm tired of feeling like shit when situations like what literally happened last EoD happen and leaving with the feeling that I messed up the game for others

I'm not gonna stop giving reads and trying to solve the game but I'm not going to be a fucking hero about it

Please reread my posts tonight and make sure you understand that I'm not asking you to give up your reads, I'm asking you to not give up on thinking in favor of validating your own read about a specific data point.