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MinaciousGrace 12-4-2010 10:50 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TechnoElite2 (Post 3360152)
So, this thread ran itself into the ground after a couple of 1300 Solo's started acting like they own the place and ignoring the word of the higher ranked, better player. I'mma say this to master, also known as Dalebert.

Stop. Your posts do nothing but serve your observation. Based on what I've read, your observation is ****.

Moving on. Allow me to burst some of your bubbles (And some of others.)

1. Olaf is more desierable and higher tier than Tyrn, Irelia, Xin, and Jax in solo/ranked as far as melee goes, and does a whole lot of work to Teemo compared to every other melee champion in the game.

2. As soon as you bahsed Doran's blade, Mina, I doubted you as anything more than a random casual. My observation was clarified upon seeing your 35-36 record in Solos. Stop talking unless it's bashing Master. It's the only thing you're good at. Same thing with Master, though his argument against the blade at least looks good on paper. Then again, so do women's rights. Speaking of which, I declare Mina's null and void, as she challenged another player to a '1v1 mf mirror match' out of rage. The failure can't be contained in words.

3. That MF build is terrible. This is the body of my argument against it. It. Is. Terrible. It's like AP on Mundo. Beats face if Corki is afk.

Let the flame-responses commence.

you're ****ing retarded too

it was fairly obvious sarcasm when i was bashing on doran's blades herp derp

and i only challenged him to a 1v1 because 1) he says he outlaned ad mf as ap mf and 2) he doesn't have a team

but if you have a team i'll be happy to 5v5 you and run your face into the ground

e: and what are you bro some 1550 player with 600 wins and 580 losses thinking their hot ****

masterhickle 12-4-2010 11:10 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
I've rarely had to lane AGAINST another MF. It's usually Morde, Vlad, Twitch or some other BS. When I DO lane against an AD MF, I can outlane them, but it's tricky. I always have to adjust myself so if they use Double Up, it won't hit me. I'll rarely auto attack creeps, only run up and drop make it rain (I'll auto attack to last hit them if the other MF isn't close).

Once I have a Blasting Wand, my Make It Rain drops a creep wave (minus a cannon creep if it's there). This is when I begin to outlane them. I push them right into their tower on every wave, and they've got a harder time farming because they have a tower killing the same creeps.


Edit: You only challenged me because I don't have a team? I told you that I could more than likely have a team over the holidays, but you never responded to that. Coincidence?

TechnoElite2 12-5-2010 01:34 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Normally I don't grace pups with a response. I'll make it brief.

@Master: I'm quick to dismiss bad builds. That's a bad build. But then again, it wins you all the 1200 games you want it too, so it's obviously good, amirite?

Also, name's Jonas Sterling. I've been playing since 3 months into closed beta, I've written the first comprehensive guide of Nasus and Shen, and I'd probably be top tier if I really cared to play Ranked. In fact, mister Dragun here, that's been reaming your ideas this entire time, and I are on the same 3's team and Solo queue when we can. We probably theorycraft more than you and your friends do in weeks, in one day.

@mina. I think I'm 1550 normal ELO. But then again, I've been 1800 normal, I've been 1200 normal. I also have almost 200 more rating than you in solo queues with about 1/5th the games played. Ain't that a bitch.

You 5v5ing me would be a waste of my time. I'm not above ignoring the request, but it would probably consist of a bunch of top tier stacking and pretending you're good. Which is all I'm getting from you or Master.

TL;DR: u bad.

There we go.

masterhickle 12-5-2010 02:47 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Ok, I'm done with all the whining and griping in this thread. I just want to hear WHY that build is bad. No one has yet said why.

My reason for saying it isn't bad? Her W can do massive damage. Malady helps the damage through magic resist reduction and its AP. The damage is boosted by AP, so I opted for Rageblade, as it also gives an AD boost.

The theme of the build at that point seemed to be aspd, so I looked at my options. Nashor's Tooth offered AP, aspd, and Cooldown reduction.

If you're building aspd, Madred's Bloodrazor is a solid choice. The obvious 4% health added to each hit. Aspd, AD, and a little armor.

At this point, I just want to know WHY you say it's bad. That's all I'm looking for, some LoL discussion. I'm done with "lol ur retarded" if everyone else is. Can it go back to discussion? >.>


Edit: Also, my GP build has gone uncommented >.>

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 02:52 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by masterhickle (Post 3360531)
I said outPERFORM.

READ.

I did not say outLANE.


Quote:

Originally Posted by masterhickle (Post 3360531)
Once I have a Blasting Wand, my Make It Rain drops a creep wave (minus a cannon creep if it's there). THAT IS WHEN I OUTLANE THEM.

:3

1 sec, editing why your build is bad, forgot that i didnt the other night when i was drunk -.-


I used these 2 builds for the calculations.

Masterhickle's MF build
Random DPS MF build(Subtract the black cleaver for the first calculations)


Well lets look at the pro's and cons of your build, over a ad/as build. And then the damage output for the cost of both being roughly the same.

Double Up

AP/AS: 3.75 Second cooldown, For 290 Damage on main target (77.3 DPS)
AD/AS: 5 second cooldown, For 338 Damage on main target (67.6 DPS)

Impure Shots

AP/AS: Can stack faster. Scales slightly with AP (With max stacks of guinsou's, 106 damage per hit, (Including stacking, And being able to hit your target with 0 inturuptions, and casting 0 spells, 180 DPS))
AD/AS: No Ap bonus, (81 DPS)

Make It Rain

AP/AS: 11.25 second CD 512 damage (Max of 45.5 DPS if hit with the full duration)
AD/AS: 15 Second CD 310 damage (Max of 20.5 DPS If hit with full duration)

Bullet Time

AP/AS: 51 Bonus damage per bullet (160 Per Bullet)
AD/AS: 52 Bonus damage per bullet (161 Per Bullet)


So total damage from just spells, Assuming you can make your spell cd not overlap, Against someone with 0 armor 0 magic resist that dosent move

AP/AS : 302.8 DPS from spells only without your ult
AD/AS : 169.1 DPS from spells only without your ult


Including procs from items
AP/AS : 342.8 DPS (+40% Of there max health) From items/spells max DPS
AD/AS : 169.1 DPS (+32% Of there max health) From items/spells max DPS


Raw physical damage

AP/AS : 338 DPS
AD/AS : 685 DPS

Raw physical damage + item procs + perfectly timed spells that they dont move out of
AP/AS : 681 DPS (+40% Of there max health)
AD/AS : 854 DPS (+34% Of there max health)





Overall, These damage builds are roughly the same. But the difference is, Where as with your item build you cap out at that dps, Sure you can grab blue buff/blue pot, But thats all you can do. Where as with a physical build if the game lasts longer, Can get another damage item and bolster the damage you put out. Or a guardian angel and put out a considerable ammount more damage since you dont take as much, And if you do die, you come back and do even more damage Not to mention, that as AD/AS Mf, your auto attacks slow 100% of the time, Where as with AP/AS MF it only slows when you have Impure shots active, Or when you hit them with Double UP. (Since make it rain already slows them more then rylai's would i dont factor that in) Along with 200 extra health on top of what you have.

If it is a long game either

AP/AS : 681 DPS (Without pots/blue buff)
AD/AS : 1088 DPS (Without pots/blue buff)

Or
AP/AS : Effective health 4301 (survivability is 60% of the AD/AS build without g angel proc)
AD/AS : Effective health 6761 + proc from guardian angel

Also, With your AP/AS build, You can cast all your spells 5 times before going oom, without relying on your team to give you mana regen (your 3 spells 1ce every 20 seconds and your ult 1ce)
Where as with AD/AS it is the same, But as i have showed earlier, with your build, you rely pretty heavily on your spells hitting them. Where as with AD/AS you can put out alot more DPS even if you are oom.

masterhickle 12-5-2010 02:58 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
WAY TO BE DRUNK GUY.
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Ok, I should edit that post, but I'll fix it here. I can only outlane another MF when I get a Blasting Wand. Until that point, she'll beat me. I can position myself to not get hit by Double Up, but her damage (until my Blasting Wand) vs Minions is much higher.

Also, Jonas, you said you've been around since about 3 months into closed beta. You'll probably know the name Ductape. It might be safe to say he's been around longer than you =P. He's a good friend of mine.

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 03:37 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
And does it matter if i like to drink or not? No that has no concern with you. It just means i like to drink, and post on forums.

Lul k? gj you know someone thats been around for a while, Congratz? want a cookie for being good friends with someone? Im IRL friends with Bahamut-x, Does that give me free reign to say whatever i want? No it dosent. So why bring it up?

masterhickle 12-5-2010 03:45 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
I should've added the "lol" at the end to indicate sarcasm.

I was just throwing that in there since Duct has been around forever and a day, and it seems that Jonas has as well.

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 03:55 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Me and jonas have been playing since beta, within the same week we started. But i just finished updating my last post. So check the things i updated

*Edit*
And as far as your GP build goes, Yes its good, But it all depends on how the game is going, and what your facing. If you have seen any champion spotlight on the LoL homepage, you will see that he says something like "I get this and this item, Then depending on how im doing either (Defensive item defensive item) or i go with a (Offensive item defensive item) then a so and so to finish it off.

In other words, Yes your build is good, But if they have a full caster team, your armor wont help you much. A b. vale would be a a better option If you want to post a item build, have variations in it. Like saying, instead of a atmas, a banshe's vail or a thornmail depending on what we need.

MinaciousGrace 12-5-2010 04:05 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TechnoElite2 (Post 3360878)
Normally I don't grace pups with a response. I'll make it brief.

@Master: I'm quick to dismiss bad builds. That's a bad build. But then again, it wins you all the 1200 games you want it too, so it's obviously good, amirite?

Also, name's Jonas Sterling. I've been playing since 3 months into closed beta, I've written the first comprehensive guide of Nasus and Shen, and I'd probably be top tier if I really cared to play Ranked. In fact, mister Dragun here, that's been reaming your ideas this entire time, and I are on the same 3's team and Solo queue when we can. We probably theorycraft more than you and your friends do in weeks, in one day.

@mina. I think I'm 1550 normal ELO. But then again, I've been 1800 normal, I've been 1200 normal. I also have almost 200 more rating than you in solo queues with about 1/5th the games played. Ain't that a bitch.

You 5v5ing me would be a waste of my time. I'm not above ignoring the request, but it would probably consist of a bunch of top tier stacking and pretending you're good. Which is all I'm getting from you or Master.

TL;DR: u bad.

There we go.

checked your profile you've never been above 1500 elo in any form of ranked games. Nice bluff but too bad called you out. oh yea nice k/d in ranked stat br0 get carried more

ps. if you start **** with me you better be prepared to back it up either stop acting like you're good and actually play against me or stfu rofl, bet you don't even have 5 friends who will play with you mr. forum diva

masterhickle 12-5-2010 04:27 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Ok, I see your point in the build differences.

Care to give this build a comparison to AD/AS?
http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Miss+...6484d0191106b8
I'm expecting the results to be similar, but I'm intrigued all the same.

It's just that, for some reason, I can't play effectively as AD/AS Fortune, but the first time I played AP/AS (using the build I linked above), I did extremely well. Perhaps it was because no one had seen such a build before?

Just went 11/5/9 as AD/AS MF. Went with Youmuu's, Boots of Swiftness, Frozen Mallet, Manamune, Bloodthirster, and a Phantom Dancer in progress (had Zeal). End result of 11/5/9. I was playing at over 200ms latency the entire game, compared to my usual 70-80, so I feel like I could've done better.

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 04:31 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Bah, makin me do work -.- Sure comparison will be up shortly, And 1 thing you need to change with that build, is either no rod of ages, or no nashor's tooth, but a void staff instead. If they stack MR you would be doing the most damage with your auto attack's :3


Well lets look at the pro's and cons of your build, over a ad/as build. And then the damage output for the cost of both being roughly the same.
AP MF Build
AD/AS MF Build
I set up runes and masteries for maximum dps for both

Double Up

AP: 240 damage (50 DPS)
AD/AS: 378 damage (75 DPS)

Impure Shots While active

AP: 181 DPS (including stack up process)
AD/AS: 72 DPS

Make It Rain

AP: 836 damage, (57 DPS With CD factored in)
AD/AS: 310 damage, (21 DPS With CD factored in)

Bullet Time

AP: 242 Damage per bullet
AD/AS: 183 Damage per bullet


So total damage from just spells, Assuming you can make your spell cd not overlap, Against someone with 0 armor 0 magic resist that dosent move

AP : 288
AD/AS : 168


Including procs from items
AP : (If perfectly timed lich bane) 507
AD/AS : 168


Raw physical damage

AP : 120
AD/AS : 1302

Raw physical damage + item procs + perfectly timed spells that they dont move out of
AP : 627
AD/AS : 1407

Survivability
AP : 5766 Effective health
AD/AS : 5426 Effective Health

Again not max build with physical, With the max physical build, AD/AS would be doing a considerable amount more, Or have a considerable amount more survivability with a gangel blah blah

The thing with AP build, is that it dosent have much sustained DPS, But it has great burst with your impure shots/make it rain/ult,

Totaling up to 649 on 1 target with impure shots/Double up
And a additional 836 on possibly more then 1 target. Not quite sure exactly how many bullets are in bullet time. So cant calc that out.

So besides your ult, thats 1485 damage on 1 target, 836 on more then 1 target in a 2 second span

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 04:35 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace (Post 3360992)
checked your profile you've never been above 1500 elo in any form of ranked games. Nice bluff but too bad called you out. oh yea nice k/d in ranked stat br0 get carried more

ps. if you start **** with me you better be prepared to back it up either stop acting like you're good and actually play against me or stfu rofl, bet you don't even have 5 friends who will play with you mr. forum diva

:3 <3 you mina, But he said in Normal games, he didnt say 1500 in ranked, And we have 6 people irl that we constantly hang out with that we play with. At least in my group, He has 2-3 others that he plays with from time to time in another group of friends he plays with v.v

But, keep in mind to, If you are basing those stats off of LoLbase, Those stats arent right. You have to upload your games in order to have the correct stats on the site. The reason why it shows games in general, is because other people in the games you/him were in, uploaded and updated his stats. and showed some partial stats :3

masterhickle 12-5-2010 04:57 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x_Dragun_x (Post 3361025)
Bah, makin me do work -.- Sure comparison will be up shortly, And 1 thing you need to change with that build, is either no rod of ages, or no nashor's tooth, but a void staff instead. If they stack MR you would be doing the most damage with your auto attack's :3

If anything, I'd drop the Nashor's Tooth. Rod of Ages gives me a nice health buffer =X.



Of course, I alter my build as necessary. Even though I don't post it, I've got back-up items in my mind as the game calls for them - Banshee's Veil always is, no matter what champ I'm playing. I'll hesitate a little longer on GP than other champs to get Banshee's because of his W.

Edit: Yes, I'm making you do work lol. I want to see how close I can get a non-AD/AS MF build to compare to AD/AS. Also, since I tend to not read patch notes for ANY game I play, I just noticed the changes to Doran's Blade. Since the damage got upped, I might actually use it...

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 05:00 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Well on GP a bvale is extremely annoying, Since it ignore's just flat magic damage, like a primordial burst, Disintegrate, Spear shot etc instead of just cleansing out of a stun/slow etc

MinaciousGrace 12-5-2010 05:10 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
no i just looked up his profile directly and my normal elo is probably above 2k rofl

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 05:10 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Well on GP a bvale is extremely annoying, Since it ignore's just flat magic damage, like a primordial burst, Disintegrate, Spear shot etc instead of just cleansing out of a stun/slow etc

*Edit*

Mina, Do you have over 500% w/l ratio? If so then yes you are 2k, If not then you dont. If you constantly win against low players, assuming you are 1800, and they are in the 1300 bracket, you would only get 1-2 points per game, not the normal 16-42. And if you lose a game, you would lose 42 every If thats how it worked, assuming i would get 20 points per game average, i would be at about 2500 elo -.-



Oh and when page 14 hits,
Quote:

Originally Posted by The5thmoon
you should probably get some publishing rights


**Edit 2**
Posted a reply for masterhickle on his MF full ap build, Post number 253
Thats all for now :3

MinaciousGrace 12-5-2010 06:19 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
find me a way to check normal elo and i'll tell you, and my w/l for normals is above 85%

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 07:20 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
upload your logs on lolbase.net, you cant find your total, But since i last used lolbase it only uploaded games up to the last patch

x_Dragun_x 12-5-2010 07:21 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
OOOk. So since its a new page, and i like to write posts long enough to be in a book apparently (<3 you moony) might as well make another post about what i said earlier about "playing korean style"



Facts about stuff

If you died mid game, Wouldent it be nice if you gained 100 gold while dead? and about 100 while you walked back to lane? Well with this "Korean" build, Thats how things go =p




Now to "Go Korean" is basicly this. Get 5 gold per 10 items. and work off of that. You will see this in alot of korean games, Because it works very well, And it gets you what you need for cheep early game.

I prefer this build on tanks, and sometimes ap champions. It also works amazingly well on GP/Tyrnd, since they benefit from it to a extreme ammount.

The reason to "Go korean" is the obvious gold per 10 income. your items+masteries (and if you go for the quint's) is 29 gold per 10. or 174 gold per minute.


Examples

Gallio. With my runes i have 72 magic resist at 18. (Full scaling magic resist runes on red/yellow/blue/quints) and 6 from masteries. So that gives me most all of the magic resist i will need till late game. So i can get quite a few armor items and not worry about how many casters they have. (With only merc treads i have 133 magic resist at 18) I get 3 philosophers stones, and 2 hearts of gold. These items give me about 90 hp5, and 44 MP5, witch enables me to stay in lane as long as i would want, Since 88 hp5 gets me about 250 health between when i full kill a creep wave, till when the next wave comes, And allows my mana to stay at max. Along with 400 bonus health, and about 140 armor.

Malphite, same runes/build about 135 armor and 150 magic resist.


Kenan/vlad/kat/sion

5 gold per 10 kage's picks. An extra 125 ability power along with the amazing gold is always nice to have.

GP/Tyrnd
5 Averice blades. 72% chance to crit without runes/masteries. Nuff said



The advantages of "Going korean"

For tanks, It enables you to get the gold needed to get your tank items, without having to be in lane, attempting to kill creeps, since normally tanks wont be able to last hit as well against a ranged champion, or just a harassing champion. It also allows you to regen most if not all your health between creep waves, So you can be alot more ballsy and spam your spells to your hearts content

Caster champs, Allows you to get the early AP along with a ton of gold that you farm already. Think about killing a extra 7 creeps every creep wave. Wouldent that be nice? Especially if you last hit the 6 already there.

GP/Tyrnd, Parley crits, and auto attack crits at max health to take chunks out of people's health when there not expecting it. Especially with tyrnd, Full health, critting almost every hit, and with his bloodlust spell stacking, Hitting for extra ammounts of damage.



the drawbacks of "Going korean"
As a tank. Some revolve around a sunfires to get last hits/damage. If your tank dosent have many damaging ability's, Or ability's that you need other items to benefit from. your kind of left behind in that sense.






Numbers and the sort


Now the gold per 10 numbers to back up this arguement. And why it is a effective build

The sort
When i go korean on a tank, I start with 2 Faerie Charm's and 2 health pots. I get these because it allows me to get starting on the build for the philosophers stones. Get my first philosophers stone, and level 1 boots, then go back to lane till i have enough for either 2 more philosophers stones, or full boots + 1 stone. Then stay in lane till i can get either full boots/3rd stone, and a ruby crystal, Or 3rd philosopher stone, and ruby crystal. Then i dont back till i can get my full 1st and 2nd heart of gold.


Numbers

Now the reason stacking of gold per 10 items works, is that, For every gold per 10 item you get, it takes about 3-4 minutes to get the gold back after selling it. So if you buy a p stone for 800, sell back for 580, it takes about 3 and a half minutes to break even. So as if you didnt buy it at all, just held onto the gold. But for every few minutes after that point, its pure profit.

If you have 5 gold per 5 items, After about 7-9 Minutes of time, You aquired enough gold to "Break even" with those 5 items you have bought. And that is excluding the ammount of gold you earned from them while building up to get your 5th one

Normally i back as soon as i can get my 5th gold per 5 item. That way i can get the max benefit from the items.

It generally takes about 5-10 minutes to buy my first full tank item. You dont want to sell your item any earlier because then it would just be a waste :3

With 5 gold per 10 items, if you held onto all 5 for 8 minutes, thats 1200 extra gold that you aquired soly from the items.
Sell 1 and so you have 4 left, Wait 8 minutes, and get your next item, thats a extra 960 gold soly from the items
and continue the process.

When i was playing games as malphite/gallio i was generally earning about 18-20k gold a game that lasts 45 minutes. Even if i dont have very many kills/assists, The gold per 5 carried me to ge my items so i could get those kills/assists. And if you happen to be doing very well, You can get your full build even earlier then what i said.


If you said TL;DR, Read this


Find yourself a korean friend
Dosent matter if he has ever herd/played this game before,
Point to the screen
Tell him to teach you how to play
And thats my guide simplified

stargroup100 12-5-2010 08:33 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
okay all of you seriously

why does league of legends have to make someone so mad

everyone has their own builds and style of play for a champion. what works for you might not work for someone else. unless their build is horribly wrong, who cares what they get. of course, there are a few exceptions because some champions can only be built in a few ways (ie twitch or heimer). but even then, sometimes a build slightly different could work.

you can theory-craft all you like, but the point is, there is no real way to judge the power of two builds that both work to some same level of degree. there are too many factors to take into consideration. some people like throwing their champion into the middle of a teamfight. some people prefer to stay in back and pick off champions one by one. if you're the first, you like tank items. if you're the second, you like lifesteal. each component of these different kinds of attributes an item can give has their place, which different people use to fit their needs

in any case, when you're playing a champion, you should have a moderately flexible build, to account for the different possible strategies the enemy team might have, and counter them appropriately. the best players can change their build on whim, depending on their needs

instead of fighting for who has the best build, try to convince the other person that your build would be a better choice if you adapted the same playstyle as that person. if that person chooses not to take advantage of your build, then that's better for you (unless you're playing on the same team as him), because whenever you play against him you'll know that he'll be weaker



now my stance on the doran blade
true, it doesn't give you as much lifesteal as vamp scepter, but honestly, in laning phase, you shouldn't be taking enough harassment that makes the lifesteal component on it necessary to get your health back up. the lifesteal on the doran's blade is more than enough, and certainly gives back more health than the doran's shield, assuming you're farming properly. on top of that, the overall +100 max health is super important, because when you get ganked or you're in a fight, that health makes the difference between life and death. in a fair fight, two champions normally come out pretty close, assuming they are equally farmed. whenever you have a doran's blade and you escape a close call with less than 100 health, you can thank your blade for that.
in a fight though, damage is critical because it adds up quickly. at lower levels, lifesteal is pointless because the amount of life you gain back from each attack is insignificant in the context of a fight, which lasts only a few seconds.

of course, this isn't always the case, but it is almost always the case. that also doesn't mean that the scepter can't work, it just isn't as effective usually

stargroup100 12-6-2010 06:28 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TechnoElite2 (Post 3360878)
Normally I don't grace pups with a response. I'll make it brief.

@Master: I'm quick to dismiss bad builds. That's a bad build. But then again, it wins you all the 1200 games you want it too, so it's obviously good, amirite?

Also, name's Jonas Sterling. I've been playing since 3 months into closed beta, I've written the first comprehensive guide of Nasus and Shen, and I'd probably be top tier if I really cared to play Ranked. In fact, mister Dragun here, that's been reaming your ideas this entire time, and I are on the same 3's team and Solo queue when we can. We probably theorycraft more than you and your friends do in weeks, in one day.

@mina. I think I'm 1550 normal ELO. But then again, I've been 1800 normal, I've been 1200 normal. I also have almost 200 more rating than you in solo queues with about 1/5th the games played. Ain't that a bitch.

You 5v5ing me would be a waste of my time. I'm not above ignoring the request, but it would probably consist of a bunch of top tier stacking and pretending you're good. Which is all I'm getting from you or Master.

TL;DR: u bad.

There we go.

normally I don't bash people but I do like to bash people who are douchebags

you don't call a build bad and then not say why it's bad. that's stupid and you're stupid

you could be top tier if you played ranked. did you? yes you did. are you top tier? no. you're only at best a few steps ahead of the rest of us. you're stupid

at least dragun here posts in a respectable manner. honestly, listening to you talk like this, I have no idea why he even plays with you. you're stupid

3 months into closed beta. wow, playing time makes such a huge difference, and skill doesn't matter at all. that's stupid and you're stupid

200 more ranking than mina eh? last time I checked 1482-1381 isn't 200. and you guys have about the same top elo. 200 more ranking indeed. that's stupid and you're stupid

I honestly don't care if you've written comprehensive guides. wrote a guide for shen and nasus? well I guess you're a decent shen/nasus player then. bet I can find a champion you suck with

5v5 is basically the whole basis of this game at its fullest, in terms of strategy and skill, and is the sole basis for which the discussion here revolves around. if you're not willing to take the time to run some noobs into the ground for free ip then maybe you're just making excuses for yourself and you're not as good as you say you are. hell, even I could probably make a 5 and whoop your ass

TechnoElite2 12-6-2010 09:06 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Apparently, Mina thinks 383-315 is 85% win ratio. His logic is flawless.

I can't believe the audacity of calling someone higher rated, with a better W/L ratio, bad. Mina's nothing but a random bad who's tough **** because he can call the carry excuse. Uh oh, my W/L is bad in ranked. 7.1 K/D with Ezrael and 5+ in my other normals is so bad. But let's dismiss that, because I'm obviously worse than Mister 35-36 here.

Also, because another random came into the field of fire, I'll give him the curtoesy. Stargroup, I had to really dull my intelligence down a few levels to wrap my head around just how 'stupid' your post is. It was so stupid, I couldn't believe how stupid some stupid people could stupid be.

More to the point. Why is that MF build bad, you say? Why's it good? W hits hard, E farms, and ult hits hard, am I right?

Are you rocking kite/heal meta focusing on keeping MF alive? Do you even know what that means? Doubtful, and doubtful, as kite/heal meta has been unviable for months, since before MF even came around. Oh snap, I have a billion AP and can auto attack like a truck because of my OP W! Watch everyone with half a brain build/play around any AP heavy MF build. Without double up and W's syngergy with physical damage heavy items and not needing attack speed early on, she'd be pretty worthless. She still is fairly average, considering the nerf stick has been smacking her in the face every other patch.

Also. Why Dragun plays with me: I'm awesome, I respect him, this is the internet. The day I start giving randoms online my respect for being idiots is the day I jump off a very tall cliff, shoot myself in the head on the way down, and land in a vat full of rabid bears. On fire.

And last I checked, Mina had like, 1320 rating? Must be getting carried by some friends.

Also, I saw Duct Tape on the forums like, twice. I faced Pendragon and BryonicHero more than I saw him. Probably bad luck, but that's how it went.

stargroup100 12-6-2010 02:44 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TechnoElite2 (Post 3361672)
Also. Why Dragun plays with me: I'm awesome, I respect him, this is the internet. The day I start giving randoms online my respect for being idiots is the day I jump off a very tall cliff, shoot myself in the head on the way down, and land in a vat full of rabid bears. On fire.

last time I checked this is a dedicated rhythm game community. the few people here who do play LoL and post here are pretty close together and this is not a very competitive community anyways. I do believe you are the random here. and don't gimme the "I've been a member since 2005" bull**** because you obviously haven't been active around here for a long time. you have an account and that's it

and last time I checked, being a dick isn't awesome. you don't need to give randoms your respect but that doesn't mean you should be a total douchebag either. if you have to throw someone off a cliff every time you see someone building a champion in a way you don't completely agree with, maybe you should take a chill pill and stop partaking in activities that induce violent thoughts and emotions

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechnoElite2 (Post 3361672)
Also, because another random came into the field of fire, I'll give him the curtoesy. Stargroup, I had to really dull my intelligence down a few levels to wrap my head around just how 'stupid' your post is. It was so stupid, I couldn't believe how stupid some stupid people could stupid be.

best insult ever gj


next time you come waltzing into a thread acting all high and mighty you really should do it in a tolerable manner. no one wants to listen to a dickhead, no matter how right or smart he is. learn some social skills dork

TechnoElite2 12-6-2010 05:04 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stargroup100 (Post 3361879)
last time I checked this is a dedicated rhythm game community.

Last time I checked this was a thread devoted to League of legends, and therefore, your opinion on the matter is invalid. I don't care how buddy buddy you think some of you are.

Quote:

and last time I checked, being a dick isn't awesome. you don't need to give randoms your respect but that doesn't mean you should be a total douchebag either.
and last time I checked, feeding the dick more insult-worthy material disguised as so called witty retorts isn't being any more awesome. But I still think that's stupid. you're stupid.

Quote:

best insult ever gj
Quote:

that's stupid and you're stupid
QfT.

Quote:

next time you come waltzing into a thread acting all high and mighty you really should do it in a tolerable manner. no one wants to listen to a dickhead, no matter how right or smart he is. learn some social skills dork
I didn't think it was possible for a man with proper genitalia to call someone both a dickhead and a dork in the same sentence, let alone commenting on their "lack of social skills." So I will continue to assume you have any at all and go about my business.

Neat.

stargroup100 12-6-2010 05:34 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
so I stack maladies on teemo

x_Dragun_x 12-6-2010 05:49 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Well i play mundo... do you know what i get? 5 tiamats... Then do you know what i get next? a 6th tiamat!


Barron take it like bitch... Then it mundo turn!



:3

Kibblre 12-6-2010 07:01 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Hey you:



You're arguing over the internet about a free video game. There's no winning this argument no matter how hard you try. Just drop it.

masterhickle 12-7-2010 01:18 AM

Re: League of Legends
 


Because of this, I'm going back to tanking every game to ensure we have a competent tank.

By the time I got my Lich Bane, it was too late to use it to push. Our "tanks" got crushed in team fights. If they didn't get crushed right away, I got burned down and we lost all our damage.

Also, nearly 800AP and the enemy Malphite only has MR coming from Guardian Angel.... grrrr.

x_Dragun_x 12-7-2010 02:56 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by masterhickle (Post 3362467)
Also, nearly 800AP and the enemy Malphite only has MR coming from Guardian Angel.... grrrr.

With my build i would have had 169 magic resist with only MR from guardian angel -.- Maby he had something similar

phe0nixblade 12-7-2010 07:57 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
except the 2 people with banshees veil, the last person with negatron cloak, and the person with merc treads/spirit visage

masterhickle 12-7-2010 11:22 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x_Dragun_x (Post 3362492)
With my build i would have had 169 magic resist with only MR from guardian angel -.- Maby he had something similar

He only had 99 magic resist at the end of the game -_-.

I only made the point of the tank being the one without building magic resist. Honestly, the Banshee's Veils weren't a problem. With how much I was spamming my Q and how much damage I was doing with it, I didn't really notice them.

MinaciousGrace 12-7-2010 06:44 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
all i'm getting from technoelite is "i'm pro but too scared to play mina's team internet tough guy act qqqqq" also i have over 480 wins just ask deso to check nice number crunches br0

masterhickle 12-8-2010 12:51 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Well, Dragun, I'm taking a page from your book and investing in a page of Magic Resist runes. Probably just my general tank page.

x_Dragun_x 12-8-2010 02:11 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Yeahhhhhhhhhhh

Kinda pricey though, total is about 10.5k -.- haha
I have entirely to many runes for my own good -.- 9 sets 9 red runes, 6 sets of 9 yellow runes, 6 sets of 9 blue runes, and 12 sets of 3 quintessences -.-

Its pretty amazing though, I mean.... The only drawback is you dont have the health yellow's/quints, but you can always switch those out. But then again, With merc treads+masteries+full rune page, thats a total of 103 bonus magic resist. Thats kind of a ridiculous amount, considering if you get a force of nature, thats a 179 bonus. That allows you to get the other 4 items as armor/health and not worry about casters ever again! It is also very nice if you rush something like a sunfire cape, and having 120 armor and 130 magic resist that early on.

Personally, with that rune page, i like to get 1 of 3 sets of tank items, depending on what they have.

Heavy on the physical damage

Heavy on the magic damage

healthy mix of physical and magic damage

I personally dont get a thornmail, because with 300 something armor, most of the damage being dealt to me, wont be pure physical damage, but more of there spell/physical damage. And the frozen heart for mana/cooldown reduction, along with there attack speed reduction is amazing. Not to mention, if you are malphite, activate your randouin's, be near them with your frozen heart, and ground slam, and thats 105% attack speed reducion for 3 seconds. Kinda stupid how well that works haha

stargroup100 12-8-2010 07:13 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
also funny how technoelite stopped posting. guess there was nothing else he could say

* 12-8-2010 10:12 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
game sucks play hon

bluguerrilla 12-8-2010 10:19 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
I was so distracted by his nose that I couldn't read his posts anyways...


It kinda sucks that they killed AP Rammus with the change to DBC, oh well, good times were had.

also suck it mina my ranked elo is apparently 1392 at least thats what it says in my log file 2 ranked games wutwut

Never knew you even COULD check your normal elo before riot changed the log file. Oh well, guess you can't anymore?

e: sup lito

stargroup100 12-8-2010 11:17 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by * (Post 3363533)
game sucks play hon

this is equivalent to ffr players hating on itg

I don't understand why people do this

bluguerrilla 12-8-2010 11:42 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Because how you spend your time is srsbsns

Also Trundle is super fun. Trinity Force makes his q do about 400 damage even if you have no other offensive items. Haven't really gotten to a late game with him but he's kinda strong early.

masterhickle 12-8-2010 12:22 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
I played a game as Singed last night with a couple friends. We were rockin' the early game, so I abandoned my normal Singed build to be a super troll and stack Rod of Ages. Because of this, I suddenly couldn't be as threatening as normal, but I did have 5.6k hp at the 60 minute mark =P.

The game was just dragging on, so I sold off all of my Rods of Ages and put on my normal build (it's still in my play history if you want to see it...). We ended the game 3.5 minutes later =P


Singed is such a beast~

x_Dragun_x 12-8-2010 12:45 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Lol, well for a good singed build, just get 2 rod of ages, then 2 defensive items, then a zhonya's ring, and you win the game haha. They cant catch you, and if they try, they slowly die by your poison

masterhickle 12-8-2010 01:01 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Nah. Gotta be the juggernaut that absorbs all the damage.

I'll let my secret out....

Masteries: 0/9/21 (armor, mr, and health regen based on your max mana in defense; improve ghost, increased health and mana regen, increased movement speed in support)

Summoner Spells: Ghost and Cleanse (always)

Items:
Boots of Swiftness
Rod of Ages
Force of Nature
Spirit Visage
Randuin's Omen
Manamune

The only items in this build that I view as optional are Randuin's Omen and Manamune.

Singed needs to be the fastest thing on the battlefield. Boots of Swiftness, Force of Nature, Cleanse, and his amazing ult let this happen.

It's obvious why Rod of Ages is in there. If you can't understand why, go read Singed's (that's always been hard for me to say...) passive. If you still can't figure it out then....

Force of Nature is more than just a magic resist item. It adds a lot of health regen and gives a nice movement speed boost.

Spirit Visage further increases how much he regens while he's using his ult.

Randuin's Omen helps him be the fastest sonfab!tch on the battlefield. Nice armor boost, hp/5, and a passive chance to slow attackers (or is it just always on-hit?). Not to mention that wonderful active.

It was always a toss-up what his last item would be. It was more or less what I felt like getting..... Until the inception of Manamune. With the mana buff from it, not only does he gain AD, he also gains health.




If the game isn't too magic heavy, or is even physical heavy, I'll use this build. Physical damage doesn't worry me too much because of Randuin's (plus, if things get scary, Ghost+Ult+Cleanse). If I need to, I'll swap out Randuin's and Manamune for Guardian Angel and Banshee's Veil (I'm actually thinking about making Banshee's Veil a standard item because of the mana bonus on it, and overall just being an amazing defensive item).

Again, I say: Singed is such a beast~

Kibblre 12-8-2010 03:24 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluguerrilla (Post 3363584)
Because how you spend your time is srsbsns

Also Trundle is super fun. Trinity Force makes his q do about 400 damage even if you have no other offensive items. Haven't really gotten to a late game with him but he's kinda strong early.

Have you tried Trundle in 3s? He's ridiculous. Buy a Wriggle's and jungle like a boss, grabbing every dragon that ever spawns. Also, you get a free ward so you can steal dragon; how convenient.

I played Trundle on 5s and hated it. But 3s man...play 3s with him.

MinaciousGrace 12-8-2010 04:55 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
i've never seen a team with trundle on it win a game

x_Dragun_x 12-8-2010 05:15 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
^ i have, But the trundle had 1/3rd of the deaths and 1-2 kills on the team -.-

stargroup100 12-8-2010 06:32 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
I feel like trundle has great potential. His skills are pretty cool and make him a great chaser/ganker. The only problem is that he takes skill to play, and he's also relatively new, so no one really has a good hold of his abilities yet.

x_Dragun_x 12-8-2010 08:30 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Well the thing with trundle is, He is just a right click champion. I mean sure he can do some good damage with his contaminate, and he can create a small wall, But besides that, he has no other utility, and nothing to benefit the team.
His rabid bite ability saps a bit of damage, but with merc treads it isnt that long, and late game is barely noticeable. You can simply slow trundle/stun him, and move out of his contaminate in order to avoid his speed boost. And if you can get around his pillar, there is nothing else for him to do but chase after and hopefully land a hit.

I mean sure, he can put out some good single target dps with his rabid bite+t force, But thats only on 1 target, in a 5v5 that dosent help the team much, since he dosent have a catching ability, like a flash/taunt, he can slow them, but he can be slowed just as easily by any other carry he is looking to get.

The only "Good" Thing about him, is his ult on a tank. It makes him much beefier and allows the team to take a tank down quicker then they would have, But after that duration there arent much other uses for it.

masterhickle 12-9-2010 12:17 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace (Post 3363790)
i've never seen a team with trundle on it win a game

I've won numerous games playing as Trundle; I just know how to work him. It really isn't that difficult....


Edit: Just won a 4v5 in which I played Taric. He's so fabulous~

phe0nixblade 12-9-2010 06:12 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
no, taric is awesome
pink taric on the other hand, is fabulous~

Kekeb 12-10-2010 10:18 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Ruby for vigor. Guinsoo/Nashor/Lichbane taric <3

Any ideas on champion viability for the new map coming out? Just from a quick glance it looks like strong solo champs will be the way to go. Nidalee and Gragas are two that come to mind. The only issue I can see is when it gets to very late game, these types of champions usually taper off. I've been burnt out on Summoner's Rift lately, so maybe Magma Chamber will be fresh.

MinaciousGrace 12-12-2010 12:37 AM

Re: League of Legends
 


welcome to my alt

Kekeb 12-12-2010 02:36 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace (Post 3366676)
welcome to my alt

wreckd

x_Dragun_x 12-12-2010 07:14 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
wut

masterhickle 12-12-2010 10:59 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
I think he's still trying to prove a point to TechnoElite (Jonas Sterling)....

Anyway, thoughts on Sion in mid? I had to, because our Tristana didn't want to be mid (I gave her a piece of my mind on that champ / lane decision). I went in with the intention of being AP Sion, but decided to go AD Sion (beeassstttttt). All in all, it wasn't horrid, but could've been better (and worse, I suppose). I was up against Akali.

tl;dr Thoughts on Sion in mid?



Also, why Akali consistently in mid all of a sudden? I understand that it gets her to level 6 quicker, but I don't feel like she brings enough to the table to do it effectively.

MinaciousGrace 12-12-2010 11:53 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
hard to gank easy to farm shuts down a large majority of other common mid champs and once she hits 7 or so can counter jungle very effectively etc etc

more for good players who want to stomp on pub teams in normals tho

ps. now 18-0 in solo q 1751 rating pce

Kekeb 12-14-2010 02:34 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
RIP Innervating Locket.

Interesting patch

MinaciousGrace 12-14-2010 03:20 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
that god they got rid of that **** i was starting to build it on everyone it was so stupidly op

bluguerrilla 12-14-2010 07:04 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
DPS Garen buff, neat.

RIP Sunfire stacking and Twitch's lategame.


Also, ****ing finally flash doesn't pop projectiles, Veigar is a happy yordle.

Oh and ALSO ****ing finally Kat's ult.


I wish they'd put in the cdr shoes but at least I've heard we're going to get 1 or 2 more dodge items.

phe0nixblade 12-14-2010 12:43 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
RIP jax lmfao

MinaciousGrace 12-14-2010 03:47 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
jax died like 129381923 patches ago anyway :<

bluguerrilla 12-14-2010 05:14 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
And Phantom Dancers was a terrible item for him anyways...

Jax is better played like Sivir than a carry now -- since he winds up on Turrets.

x_Dragun_x 12-14-2010 06:11 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Speaking of Phantom dancers, watch it, its the cinematic commentated by phreak =p I love phantom dancers, They are such, great... big... items.

MinaciousGrace 12-14-2010 06:15 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
first loss on my alt, q'd with xspecial (highest ranked player) and man did he feed as panth mid....

Wineandbread 12-14-2010 06:48 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
I can't grab and I bought blitz

GG

phe0nixblade 12-14-2010 09:16 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
more than likely buying teemo after this weeks up
man i played him all wrong back in the day
ap/as with a hextech GB along the way makes him rape so hard

stargroup100 12-15-2010 08:41 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace (Post 3369431)
first loss on my alt, q'd with xspecial (highest ranked player) and man did he feed as panth mid....

LOL wat

lunatiks 12-17-2010 07:38 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
League of Legend is easy...lol
im lvl 30 and its fun when u know the game

bluguerrilla 12-17-2010 10:16 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Solo normal queue and look who I ended up with:


stargroup100 12-17-2010 10:21 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
fun game

managed to keep their entire team locked in their base with nothing but a golem buff

hilarious

phe0nixblade 12-17-2010 01:22 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
you managed to win with stargroup on your team?
amazing.

thechild 12-18-2010 09:12 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
As I redownload LoL, I hop on the forums while it patches and saw this thread being last posted in for gaming. Is the collector's edition worth picking up? It's at my target and it's only 20 dollars, I'm tempted to pick it up.

x_Dragun_x 12-19-2010 12:22 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Well its up to you, the "Collector's edition" Just gives you some champs, Weather you will play those champions or not is up to you. Or what you could do, just just buy a 20% riot card, buy a champion or 2 that you want, and then some boosts to get other champions. That way you dont get all those champions that you might not play ever, Or if you want to try those out, you can just play them when they are on the free rotation.

And since you can buy some IP boosts, you can buy them later without using cash =p

MinaciousGrace 12-25-2010 02:06 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
Super bump.

So I played against reginald today. He sucks.

Hardcore.

People watching the stream told me he started raging after he bought an oracle at level 7 to counter ward and died a minute later. Game ended 27-5 in our favor lolollololoolololol.

stargroup100 12-25-2010 06:47 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
why do I feel like there are a ton of supposedly high ranked players out there that are actually super terrible

and given that note, how come I'm still sitting in the 1200 elo zone

phe0nixblade 12-25-2010 09:07 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
because you're bad, breh
sorry mang :(

MinaciousGrace 12-25-2010 10:03 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
i've q'd with and against a number of high ranked and popular streamers and really the only person who's stood out as a player us roku tbh

Kibblre 12-25-2010 10:56 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stargroup100 (Post 3380866)
why do I feel like there are a ton of supposedly high ranked players out there that are actually super terrible

and given that note, how come I'm still sitting in the 1200 elo zone

It's called ELO Hell. Once you get under 1300, it requires a ton of work to get back above.

In other news, you guys should try Bloodline Champions. It's pretty fun.

-paexaea- 12-26-2010 11:41 AM

Re: League of Legends
 
why is mina banned ?_?

CMMTeddy II 12-29-2010 10:50 PM

Re: League of Legends
 
Super late post. ;_;

SN is LaughterTeddy


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