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Two statements that you said that I feel were unnecessary and do not contribute to anything. It can always be worse. I guess someone has to die or get mortally wounded.

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We know it's not worse. But that doesn't make this not a bad thing. Regardless of how bad it is, our biggest problem right now isn't the police brutality itself. Our problem is that they'll get away with it.

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While I'd agree, I think the important point to make is that it needs to be a *peaceful* protest.

While most of the protestors are peaceful, a great deal of them aren't even really there for any specific reason other than some sort of nebulous "Man, **** Wall Street!" sentiment. There's a huge difference between peacefully protesting in the name of something and just showing up to be an asshole. It's not like the police can stop every single person and be like "Hey, wait, before I let you through, are you going to go block traffic? No? Alright, you're free to go!" After a certain point, the crowd can't be trusted because a few douchebags ruin it for everyone else, so the police have to start blocking things off.

Of course, batshit protestors look at this as an invitation to become armchair lawyers: "Hey! Hey man, this is public property man! I have a right to be here! I have a right to be here! You can't block me from going through! Everyone ****ing listen to me! Hey! Hey! Hey! **** you! **** you man! ****ing Wall Street, man! You're protecting the enemy, man! I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you! Hey! Hey! Whoa! WHOA! WHOAAAA! POLICE BRUTALITY OMG! *SCREAM* AHHHH POLICE BRUTALITY! YOU GET THAT ON TAPE MAN?! **** THE SYSTEM!"

I mean seriously, this sort of shit is to be expected. When you're dealing with people like this for *hours*, emotions are going to fly. Yes, I agree it's a policeman's job to keep cool, but it's also his job to keep the peace and make sure shit doesn't spiral out of control, which can be really hard to do when you've got some really persistent, angry assholes in your face who are causing a massive glut in areas that are normally insanely busy during the day to begin with.

Like, people are pissed over the bailouts, but they don't realize that much of it has already been paid back. Bailout money doesn't go to the execs -- it goes into the company to keep it from going bankrupt. Had the banks gone under, we'd all be ****ed. Something like $580 billion was disbursed in the bailout (including bailout money for FM/FM), and over half of it was paid back by the hundreds banks that received money not long after the bailouts were disbursed to begin with. The top 30 banks received 90% of the total bailout money, and most of it has been returned with interest -- the only nasty one is FM/FM (20% of the bailout to the top 30 alone, which we're not likely to see again). Even so, the outstanding $200-something billion is nothing compared to our multi-trillion dollar deficit.

I think people have a right to be angry, but a protest is not how you solve the nation's problems. If we want a better government that has better regulations for big business, we need to stop voting idiots into power.

America, while not too big to fail, is not likely to fail unless we do something really stupid, like refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Very few politicians are rational and forward-thinking, which worries me as a rational forward-thinking person. Problem is, it's the irrational short-sighted majority that keeps electing them into office.

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"we're all coming under one cause, even though we have our different initiatives."

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I don't live in Syria.

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Ah of course. Nothing outside of the united states is relevant in any way. :-|

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Of course, that's called being off topic.

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Funny how my first thought was Eduardo Salazar making this thread haha

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I guess we just have different expectations of the police- I've always thought that in any situation a policeman should be able to keep his wits about him. It's his job.
I guess I get this perspective because my brother was an officer for a while. And any time he was talking about a particularly shitty case he had to deal with he always talked about how hard it was to keep his cool, but he would mention how during training they CONSTANTLY drilled the fact he had to remain civil, and he would just have to mentally endure. Seeing what my brother went through (I'd like to think he was a "good cop") to stay calm in situations not unlike this protest makes me disappointed to see a high ranking officer lose his shit like we can see clearly in this video. Like I said, just different expectations- I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've said.

And Crashfan3's post on the previous page was really well thought out too.

Also I'm still amused by people who keep citing the "someone somewhere has it worse" argument, as if that magically makes what happened here acceptable.

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I acknowledge that worse shit is happening elsewhere, but that's not what this thread is about.

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People snap at their jobs. People can only take so much before they have to release, and given that they're NYPD, they probaly have to deal with loads more than most other officers in the US.

I know in healthcare, when people get really agitated with patints, they start doing stuff to them, be it ignoring, delivering meds later, or just doing a poor job intentinally because they don't lie the patient.

I've done it, and I'm sure most everyone else has acted inappropriately at their job before from stress and agitation.

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Even so, does that make it acceptable? If you act inappropriately at your job, chances are you will get punished or face some sort of consequence.

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yeah the whole occupy wall street thing was/is (i guess) a huge piece of "protest" exhibitionism that seems unlikely to spawn actual social progress and more seems like a grab for media attention but that's not really the issue here, it's more the police brutality and honestly i didn't even watch the video because i don't like watching that stuff but police brutality is absolutely unacceptable in all cases, doubly so because they're the ****ing police. i don't care if the protesters are really annoying and don't seem to know anything about the current economic situation and how to solve it, that doesn't excuse any instances of unprovoked violence on the part of the police force

and i don't even want to respond to the almost unbelievably daft morally relativistic defenses being brought up here. really? "it could be worse"? that's how logic works? nor the equally idiotic "everyone gets mad while doing their job" i mean is that even what i don't what no stop

p.s.--i hope you realize this is absolutely ****ing despicable and inexcusable

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Healthcare works on a balance. The nicer you are to the employee, the nicer they are to you. If you just bitch, yell, and fight with us all the tme, you bet we're going to take our time or "get caught in something else".

Healthcare is no different than any other field

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okay yes i get the essential balance between the actions and behaviors of a customer/provider and of course all customers should be nice to those whom they expect service from but "doing a poor job intentinally [sic] because they don't lie [sic] the patient" (these are your words) is completely ridiculous and reckless behavior especially if you are in the field of healthcare and people's good health or lives literally depend on your stupid selfish bitch fits

this isn't idealism, it's just stopping to think about the consequences of your actions for a nanosecond

same goes with the police

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Last I checked a poorly put on diaper isn't life threatening, but what do I know

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Terrible. Absolutely disgusting.

I hope those officers get their pensions revoked.

EDIT: Snowcrafta you're not justifying police brutality because of a high-stress enviornment, right? My job's pretty high stress too...I don't have the need to go out and hurt people because of it.

Bitch on a forum, smoke a cig...those are better ways of handling stress than hurting other people for no reason at all.

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Officer or not, if someone's pissed off, especially at you, it's usually a good idea not to keep prodding. Logic should tell you when you've gone too far (apperently warnings aren't enough), and if you take a beating for it, maybe it wont happen next time. It's horribly illegal, but you have to be a real big douche to get police brutalized.

Worst part is that I'm sure that he's eating up all the press coverage and using it to try to sway opinion saying that NYPD is full of horrible people.

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Police macing isn't equivalent to putting on a diaper poorly the last time I checked, but what do I know