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To make up for this, I came up with appeals (which apparently isn't recognized as an official idea yet) if one has been rejected multiple times due to contrasting opinions of the judges (as opposed to technical errors). *I might take a look at the idea again. I don't think the idea was executed well (resubmits weren't brought to the attention of judges very much), but a revision might make this work. |
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Ok I made a poll for that issue.
- Previous judges should judge the resubmission files again (but only when all judge members are the same with the previous ones.). Y/N If majority of judges/step artists here support this, I'll change the system. |
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I have mixed feelings about that.
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I don't think it's necessary imo
oh nuts i get to judge two of my songs lmao. hi wyde |
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fixed.
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More importantly, I'd like to hear from the people who are complaining about their files being judged with highly variable results and possible contradictions in opinions. qqwref? rushy? ichlie? Etc. It's the only reason why I made such a proposal. Read the previous pages to hear their concerns.
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Yeah funny you got landed with that lol. hope u liek |
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I'm not sure if I agree that previous judges should judge the resubmission files again. On one hand, it would ensure that any fixes that got pointed out actually get fixed; on the other hand, if one person thinks the song or chart style is total crud, they are not going to improve their opinion much when they see that a few minor problems have been changed. I guess you can put me down for a tentative yes, but I'd still like to see the worst grade thrown out in cases of extreme subjectivemania (+ + + -, ++ + + ?, that kind of stuff).
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Throwing out grades is a bad idea in the fact that a file might be objectively incorrect, but will have passing grades for multiple judges anyway for various reasons (judging fatigue, extreme bias toward song choice when chart is passable but not worthy), etc.
tbh, Arch's ratings were a bit all over the place. Hell, even I thought +. was a bit ridiculous for my chart Cheeseburger last batch -- that file shouldn't have gotten anything higher than a +?, lol If the song has a poor rating, it should only be considered thrown away if the judge can't give legitimate reasons as to why. Obviously if a judge gives a bad grade, they've most likely done it for a reason and if they can prove it, then their grade shouldn't be thrown out because it's rude to them for judging it. Take me for example in my last batch, and Altair (which I believe I gave it a [-]). What if it received good marks from all of the other judges? My notes get thrown away for no reason? It's just a thought; it's not a bad idea, but it comes with a lot of issues behind it. As for resubmissions: pass them around to different judges, because there might be an inevitable bias towards/against songs. |
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I think we should all go play o2jam. Just sayin
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The thing which makes me want to throw out the lowest rating is that the current system can potentially give a judge too much power. If one person gives a file [?] or worse, there is nothing the other judges can do - it's basically getting flat out rejected. The purpose of team judging is to give each file multiple perspectives, but it's important to have a system where a judge can't personally prevent a file from getting ingame. |
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Divide the judging team into two groups (instead of three), and for each file, omit the highest and the lowest score
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Put me down for a yes like qqwref. |
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I would have +'d cheeseburger if I was judging it. idg why you hate it. I guess the <3 of exotic swing is lost when you transfer it into ffr though
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increasing judge's load by a lot = no
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Backstory: The chart was actually rushed for a tournament that happened on FFR, as was Strikebeam, AND The Crow's Newspaper (although TCN was the first chart I worked on; as a result, it came out the best out of the three). I created the final rounds for every division and put them on the DF engine, and then pulled them off once the tournament was over. I don't hate my chart, it's just not properly structured -- more freeform than anything. But hey, it's cool to see that you liked it :) |
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