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qqwref 10-8-2011 09:22 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Yeah, but from what I've seen the requirements for borderline files are really strict. If it's a file that needs one or two big fixes and is otherwise good it might get +. or + from a fourth judge, but it'll get a lot of "yes w/ fix" in the borderline voting and that only gives 1/2 points.

TC_Halogen 10-8-2011 09:25 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
If a person feels like they received unfair ratings and ended up in the borderline area, they have a right to appeal too -- JX does make the final calls for files anyway.

Darkbreezee 10-14-2011 08:06 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
im excited about the results *-*

raskanally 10-14-2011 09:43 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
The anticipation is killing me. >:X

Rebirth0 10-14-2011 10:49 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Yeah I'm kinda hoping I still know how to make semenfiles

Teh Avenger 10-14-2011 11:50 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
UGH im soooo anxious!
The tension is killing me!
When are the results being posted!

bob bob 10-14-2011 11:52 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
when all the judges finish judging

megamon88 10-16-2011 08:44 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
There seem to be a lot of +s and ++s being given out this time. Hopefully that means my files got in :D

Elite Ninja 10-16-2011 08:51 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Maybe I have a chance this time :)

Maybe I don't :(

But one thing for sure is that the waiting is killing me XD

ichliebekase 10-16-2011 08:53 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
The suspense is even getting to me, I'm anxious to see what everyone has said. Not just about my own files, but seeing all of these +'s and ++'s, there have got to be some damn awesome songs in this batch =D

MarioNintendo 10-16-2011 09:32 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
*throws excitement and confettis*

This thread is going to explode and I hope I'm going to be here to witness it.

hi19hi19 10-16-2011 10:02 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
y u remove posts where judges list their ratings given :(

jimerax 10-16-2011 10:04 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Calm down guys, I can't tell the exact date but judgement of this batch won't take so long from now.

who_cares973 10-16-2011 10:06 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
alright sent in my notes

i love you 10-16-2011 10:17 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Alright, sent it my notes.

10 [++] I might be lying though

That is all.

psychoangel691 10-16-2011 10:19 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
I'm pretty much done as well, I just kinda want to double check a few of my ratings cause I've been feeling a little off lately.

TC_Halogen 10-16-2011 10:20 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
HNNNNNNNNNNNNGH four more songs to judge

I can do it.

CHEER ME ON, DAMN IT

EDIT: I lied, five more. Also, I passed two songs. >_>

MarioNintendo 10-16-2011 10:23 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen (Post 3552296)
HNNNNNNNNNNNNGH four more songs to judge

I can do it.

CHEER ME ON, DAMN IT

EDIT: I lied, five more. Also, I passed two songs. >_>

HOLY CRAP AJ.

READ THIS POST.

READ THIS LINE AGAIN.

YOU CAN DO THIS. YOU ARE SO CLOSE TO MASTERY!!!!

The baby is asleep, the room is calm, your earphones are comfy... the best of conditions to work!

We believe in you. YOU CAN BE THERE ON TIME.

who_cares973 10-16-2011 10:26 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
i didnt ++ a single thing and rejected 2 files

MarioNintendo 10-16-2011 10:28 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Yeah but philosophers are also haters. Goes to show...! :P

Ziergdsx18 10-16-2011 10:34 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by i love you (Post 3552294)
Alright, sent it my notes.

10 [++] I might be lying though

That is all.

lmfao so lEnIeNt ;3

TC_Halogen 10-16-2011 11:31 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Notes sent. 43 KB worth of them.

EDIT: fun fact, I'm fairly certain that my acceptance rating is only slightly over half of the other two judges in my group. Let the cussing/yelling/kicking/scream at me begin!

bmah 10-17-2011 12:55 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
notes will be up fairly soon

~get hyped~

YoshL 10-17-2011 12:56 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
tonight? tonight?
if so, i'm staying up.

ichliebekase 10-17-2011 01:05 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YOSHl (Post 3552373)
tonight? tonight?
if so, i'm staying up.

This so bad. I was about to sleep but then I decided to check one last time, thank goodness I did xD

hi19hi19 10-17-2011 01:11 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Notes or sleep ?_?



FFR, why do you torture me like this~

psychoangel691 10-17-2011 01:12 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Notes, sleep is overrated. :p

TC_Halogen 10-17-2011 01:32 AM

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OMFG CANARY PART V PASSED

Congrats, OWA! :D

ichliebekase 10-17-2011 01:37 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
-Glorious Morning- 15/15

:')

I finally did it.

TC_Halogen 10-17-2011 01:39 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ichliebekase (Post 3552417)
-Glorious Morning- 15/15

:')

I finally did it.

I was going to edit my post after seeing OWA. Congratulations!

You finally did it, and not just barely -- you scored big time. 15/15 is going to help your simfile artist points quite a bit!

bmah 10-17-2011 01:40 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Ok, posted all the notes. Have an enjoy, everyone.

Ziergdsx18 10-17-2011 01:46 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Defection = [+.] [+] [++]

lmfao


Face of Faith on the other hand.....rip


Thanks for the notes bmah, and to the judges as well. (o:

ichliebekase 10-17-2011 01:47 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Thankies :3

What's even funnier is We Will Fly got 5/5/3 LOLOLOLOLOL thanks again AJ xD I ain't even mad, fuccing 15/15...I still can't even believe it.

Wait...isn't 13/15 accepted too? o.o

TC_Halogen 10-17-2011 01:47 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
13 out of 15 is accepted. Looks like you scored two in this batch.

YoshL 10-17-2011 01:48 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
lol +?/+./+ and a ?/+?/+.
varying judge scores wut?

leonid 10-17-2011 01:53 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YOSHl (Post 3552428)
lol +?/+./+ and a ?/+?/+.
varying judge scores wut?

TBF what's the point if every judge has to give the same score??

justin_ator 10-17-2011 01:59 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
So a +./+./+? is an 11/15, right? >.> Does that mean with fixes it has a chance, or no? I only sort of followed the earlier discussion on borderline files.

Ziergdsx18 10-17-2011 02:01 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen (Post 3552427)
13 out of 15 is accepted. Looks like you scored two in this batch.

Up to how low is a file considered borderline. 12 -> 11 ?_?

TC_Halogen 10-17-2011 02:04 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
According to JX, 11/12 is the borderline area. 12 will be guaranteed borderline, 11 will more than likely be at JX's discretion.

hi19hi19 10-17-2011 02:04 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Rainbow Road [++][+][+.]
Thanks to Halogen for the detailed notes on this one, I'll check out the places you mentioned. Glad this went over so well!

Caprice for Violin in B Minor Theme and Variations [+.][?][++]
Not sure I agree with wc on this one... it's a Theme and Variations, that's how it's supposed to sound >_>
Well either way I was kinda expecting this, I had a feeling this would be controversial!

THE LITTLE MERMAID [-][+.][PASS]
qqwref I'm sad you called this a dump :( Sure it's a lighthearted file but I was being totally serious with stepping it. And err, sorry AJ? haha don't know what to say to that XD
Glad someone saw the reason I stepped this and why it's fun.
Either way I knew I was stretching it with the rolls to the growls. I'll remove them when I get around to resubmitting this, fine fine. Clearly many of the judges don't have my sense of humor.

Night Walker [+.][+][+]
Well this works for me, as long as it's in the game. I personally think this is the most fun chart I've ever made. Didn't get too many detailed notes from these three judges but I'll take that as a good thing ^_^



Every note about my files in one place for my convenience:

Rainbow Road
Playtest: The emphasis, PR, and rhythms all made sense, and this was a really pleasant and relaxing chart to play, just like the song deserved. Great job.
Editor: I would have liked to see the green jump at the very start placed differently, but I do see what you were trying to do there. Sweet rainbow effect at the end; I'd like to point out that pink notes are pretty bright on the FFR engine and you might be better off with red-orange-yellow-green-teal-blue-purple.

File's great. Not much I can say. There are a few missing notes here and there I suggest you to look upon (7.88s, 26.97s, 28.10s, 47.37s, 47.57s, 47.78s and 56.91s), but they didn't have a huge impact on the file. Nice hand and jump mastery.

This song uses triples for chords, which is fine, but the problem with this is that you're lacking room to constantly do this with four keys. It also seems like PR was important, so I'll try to point out everything that I can find.

- 3.004: while I don't agree with this being a D/U for pitch relevancy, I understand that you did it because it's the same root note shifted up an octave
- 7.749: there's actually a note after this missing
- 10.607: check PR here, the note that corresponds to the left arrow does play again. Not a necessary fix because it does sound like the chord that holds the (DUR) hand before.
- 13.125: check PR, as this and 13.676 should be the same arrow
- 14.945: not the same note
- 32.425: another 8th mini-jack, although as a by-product of PR
- 32.956: ^
- 34.030: ^ - also, should the PR on this be inverted (D, L instead of L, D)?
- 37.065: another pattern that could possibly be reworked
- 38.645: (D/U/R) is used for a different chord, so this one should probably be changed too
- 49.345 to 50.404: all triples here, at least 3 discernible notes in each of these chords
- 53.873: missing note
- 55.320: also a missing note
- 56.916: missing note
- 66.417: change hand placement, as (D/U/R) is used by a different chord not too far from there
- 68.025: you could possibly change this chord, although only a single note changes here and it sounds like there's four notes here, so you can get away with it as is
- 78.841: check rhythm here
- 96.136: this nice little flourish actually starts a tiny bit earlier, and also has a few more notes - there's 6 different notes, from what I can hear.
- 102.228: same thing with this last flourish.

While I do have a lot of notes for you, it's hard for me to want to give you a rejection rating because you did make a very strong effort to give an accurate feel of the song. It's very difficult to hear all of the notes in this song properly because it is very powerful, and it has a ton of strong accents. There are a few areas where I feel like jumps could be triples, and triples could be jumps, but I ended up not listing them simply because it was a bit hard for me to tell them apart. Good work, though.



Caprice for Violin in B Minor Theme and Variations
-There's very little pattern variation for long periods of time in this song, it starts doing one thing and keeps doing it for a long time. It's well done, the PR is good, and the layering, although the opportunities for it are seldom, is good. I just don't like how long it is coupled with how little variation there is.
-The trills starting at measure 78 need a bit of work, most particularly the first set. It comes out of nowhere (quite literally) and switches the starting hand with each trill, and that just destroys the flow between them, particularly if you're not expecting it.
-I actually laughed super hard at the hands, but they make so much sense, and it was so fun, I absolutely love it, it just they're so unconventional that I thought it was kinda funny.
-Interesting chart overall, I'm not sure how the community is going to take it.

i would rather see this cut into 2-3 different files than keep it as one because it plays as though its different section of songs glued together

This file was really amazing done. I do not have any comments on this.



THE LITTLE MERMAID
Playtest: The chart felt like a dump to me; the use of hands and quads was a bit much, and the bursts were pretty awkward to hit (not quite jumptrillable) and didn't go to any discernible rhythm. I don't know if this is a serious file or not but either way it's not at all what I'm looking for for FFR charts.
Editor: So yeah, on closer inspection those 48th bursts just go to a scream, which is not really acceptable by FFR standards. In addition, listening to this chart on assist tick, it is drastically offsync in many places, sometimes by so much that I feel like I'm hitting the 16ths between the actual hits in the song. I appreciate that you tried to use ddream but it really didn't work out here.

I am torn apart by this song. Making this judgement is pretty hard. I find it both stupid (--) and incredibly funny (+) ("Sooooo remember kids; always fasten your seatbelt"). At first, I wanted to give a (?) for the steps being ridiculous and the song being too short. Then I played it again. And again. And again. And grown to love it. I can't give you a + for the reasons I'll enumerate below, but I did believe enough in it to give you a +.

* - The growls like the one at 6.02s look nice when played on autoplay, but have no purpose in the chart but to be a pain in the ass.
* - The jacks at 15.17 are unasked for. There is no ghost note, but you should replace that part to remove the jacks.
* - Wow, this song is like 45 seconds long. These mistakes represent perhaps 10% of the song. That's a lot! (note: 10% is approx.)

summary: Yeah, I went with my heart this time. I understand why you stepped this chart. There are still a few things I would've changed in order to make it less of a troll song.

-> offset changed to -0.136
oh god, seriously kill me now



Night Walker
My problem with this chart is the 1st half is kinda draggy. It's just the same stuff over and
over for about a minute. (Which is just the way the song is) Then it gets to the epic solo which
is awesome. Really other than the draggy beginning the chart is well done.

- really nice guitar solo, wow.
- file overall is great

- technical stuff: 12th jump at beat 26.67?; no jump at beat 34.00; missed a 12th note at beat 135.67,151.00; 24th solo ends two notes earlier at m52
- the quick left-hand trill before m16,24,32,40 feels better as a roll
- Summary: smooth chart, great solo sections.


P.S. About the first 3 jumps in Rainbow Road... I went Red-Yellow-Green because that's the color of Lakitu's start lights that go to that sound. Nobody picked up on that, oh well. I thought I was being clever >_>

ichliebekase 10-17-2011 02:05 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Don't get me wrong AJ, I'd definitely like to send in some fixes based on what you said in your notes. I even sent the song to hi19 before and he gave me some suggestions too and I plan to fix this before it goes in. Don't think your feedback went unnoticed :]

Thanks so much to all the judges. Looks like my cap just went to 4 :>

justin_ator 10-17-2011 02:05 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Can we work on recommended fixes and send it over as a fixed file, or is that submission set in stone until it gets accepted/rejected by jimerax or another judge?

jimerax 10-17-2011 02:10 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
[SAP]
++/++/++ - 6
++/++/+ - 4
++/+/+ - 3
+/+/+ and 14pts - 2
13pts - 1
files that passed the second judgement - 1

Considering the acceptance rate, putting 11pts for the second judgement is unlikely unless the rating is +/+/-.. sry.

bob bob 10-17-2011 02:13 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
2 ++ and a pass (speaking of the pass, who did it get passed to, i couldn't find it)

wat

Ziergdsx18 10-17-2011 02:15 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
i noticed a lot of ++ on this batch.


wow so many pr0's up in here o.o

justin_ator 10-17-2011 02:16 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
'cept me >.>

hi19hi19 10-17-2011 02:17 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Slightly confused as to where to go now.
I'm assuming my [++][+][+.] and [+.][+][+] are in the game. Of course I'll send minor fixes based on the notes I got but yeah, these two seem fine.

Caprice for Violin in B Minor Theme and Variations got a [+.][?][++]. Clearly two judges thought the file had merit, but wc didn't even really comment on the file, just said he thought the song should be different (okay..?)
I don't really know what to do with this. Submit it again and hope for different judges? Give up on the file? Wat do

And my [-][+.][PASS] file... exactly what happens with a [PASS] rating? I couldn't find any other notes about the file, was it actually passed to someone else?
Obviously it's not going to be accepted, but can I resubmit it next batch without it counting to my total, or do I have to submit it again with it taking up one of my maximum slots?

jimerax 10-17-2011 02:25 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
I'll give ratings on [PASS] files.

bmah 10-17-2011 02:26 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by justin_ator (Post 3552437)
Can we work on recommended fixes and send it over as a fixed file, or is that submission set in stone until it gets accepted/rejected by jimerax or another judge?

If the file was conditionally accepted/borderline, you can send a fix anytime and it'll get placed in the queue.
If the file was rejected, you'll have to send the fix for the next batch (except you can't do that for the upcoming hard batch) and it'll be judged again. In other words, this will cause quite a bit of delay to a file you wanted to get in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob bob (Post 3552441)
2 ++ and a pass (speaking of the pass, who did it get passed to, i couldn't find it)

It got passed to no one yet.

I'm currently requesting jimerax to test it however. (edit: ninja'd - see above)

00Razor00 10-17-2011 03:44 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Mfw the only vocal part I stepped in my chart was the "break it down" part which lasts like what? Not even 2 seconds? So I really have no idea what you're on about, AJ, lol.

Appreciate the notes, almost had borderline x) 10/20.

megamon88 10-17-2011 06:57 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
15+, 15, 13 and 13? I think that means 4/4 :D I'll take a more detailed look at the notes later today and fix up the small stuff.

iironiic 10-17-2011 07:30 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
14 and 13 here. I will definitely fix minor problems in those files later today.

EDIT: JX, did you get my resubmission for No Purpose Flour? I sent it about two weeks ago with my other two files. If not, I can resend an email.

jimerax 10-17-2011 09:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iironiic (Post 3552492)
EDIT: JX, did you get my resubmission for No Purpose Flour? I sent it about two weeks ago with my other two files. If not, I can resend an email.

queue'd it with the fix.

Elite Ninja 10-17-2011 09:20 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
oh cool so I guess 13/15 means accepted with fixes? I just might get my first file on FFR :D

When I get home from school today I will take your suggestions and fix the chart. Thanks for the notes!

who_cares973 10-17-2011 09:23 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 3552435)
Caprice for Violin in B Minor Theme and Variations [+.][?][++]
Not sure I agree with wc on this one... it's a Theme and Variations, that's how it's supposed to sound >_>
Well either way I was kinda expecting this, I had a feeling this would be controversial!

i dont see how this file is controversial ?_? the steps themselves are fine and fun its the song that dragged on and how broken it felt that was my problem. all the pauses in between ruined it for me and id personally rather see it as seperate files than 1 who cares if its a theme and variations.


ALSO

warren - + + +.
velocity - + +. +
stay crunchy - + + +.
throwing fire - + + +
stately, wrong - + +. ++

5/5 :D

bob bob 10-17-2011 09:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax (Post 3552448)
I'll give ratings on [PASS] files.

o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0
doubt ill get another ++ on earth blew up but we will see

JSH 10-17-2011 10:04 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Darling +, -, ?
lol

Tasteless +., +, +?
I still have a chance for this one!

justin_ator 10-17-2011 10:07 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
I'm still a little confused as to whether my file is capable of getting in or not. It got an 11, so with fixes can it make it? Or will it have to be a resubmission later after the hard songs batch? I'll gladly fix it now if it means I could finally get a song in FFR.

bob bob 10-17-2011 10:11 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
11 would mean resubmission unless it got +,+,-

justin_ator 10-17-2011 10:17 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Urgh, expect it next batch (obv after hard songs batch).

One Winged Angel 10-17-2011 10:40 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
I was scouring this thread for like half an hour to find the batch notes before realizing they're posted in a separate thread, oops

But I saw AJ's post and shed a tear :')
lol I can't believe that dump is going to end up in-game

TC_Halogen 10-17-2011 11:04 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 00Razor00 (Post 3552467)
Mfw the only vocal part I stepped in my chart was the "break it down" part which lasts like what? Not even 2 seconds? So I really have no idea what you're on about, AJ, lol.

Appreciate the notes, almost had borderline x) 10/20.

Not too many points were taken off on all of those minor layering mentions because I wasn't sure about them. The biggest point choppers were the incorrect offset for the first half, and the misrhythms/missing notes for drums that you had (because looking at your layering scheme, I was fairly certain you were following drums). It looked like you were following vocals at some points of the song, so I decided to list those too, just to be safe.

leonid 10-17-2011 11:07 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
offset can be readjusted after the chart goes in-game. It shouldn't be a huge point chopper







<-- Chopping points off

who_cares973 10-17-2011 11:48 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
points should still be deducted for wrong offset

qqwref 10-17-2011 11:49 AM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 3552435)
P.S. About the first 3 jumps in Rainbow Road... I went Red-Yellow-Green because that's the color of Lakitu's start lights that go to that sound. Nobody picked up on that, oh well. I thought I was being clever >_>

Nah, I noticed it :p

Let's see... my files got
4/5/5 = 14
4/5/5 = 14
3/4/4 = 11
3/4/4 = 11
So I guess that's 2 of 4 accepted (both the collabs lol).

Quote:

Originally Posted by who_cares973 (Post 3552549)
points should still be deducted for wrong offset

I don't see the point of this; we're judging what charts should be converted for FFR, not what charts will be copied into a Stepmania pack folder. I think we should all assume that stuff like two-second silence and improper offsets will be fixed before the song goes into the game, which means it doesn't affect the quality of the ending file at all.

TC_Halogen 10-17-2011 12:09 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed)
 
yeah, but it also shouldn't be the responsibility of the judges sit there and adjust for an incorrect offset. Sorry, but I second that. Besides, it says it right on the front of the thread.
Quote:

and has been confirmed to be on sync on a low music rate.


This is for ichliebekase -- she PM'd me about certain things and I couldn't fit it all back in a PM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichliebekase
There were a few things I wanted to ask you about or clarify to you concerning the notes. Some things I understood and some I didn't :P

- 8.821: it's very clear what that goes to, but you only accent it here - it might be better for you to just ignore it
~Reason why I did this one above any others is because it's significantly louder than any others.
-> the thing with this is that, it stands out as an awkwardly placed accent because that filtered bass is really hard to hear except for that single note. A colored note accent could work better because it doesn't disrupt the otherwise smooth flow of your introduction.

- 9.464: melody cutoff is really abrupt...
~Fixed, the new melody line now starts at the next measure, but it sort of feels awkward. Should I start it instead at 9.89s and get rid of the 16th at 10s?
-> you could have the 16th triplets run all the way up to the quarter at 10.964 (8th note), or 10.106 (also an 8th note). Both of these seem to make smoother transitions.

- 11.606: you started following pitch relevancy for a moment, but it doesn't work out well as it goes on - pay a bit more attention to the structure of the melody
~I actually wasn't following PR here. I almost didn't want to because it's the same thing throughout the entire song which would have made it flat out boring. Suggestion for a compromise?
-> when I mention to add pitch relevancy to a section, I don't always intend on telling a simfile artist to do it to their whole song, especially for a song like this; you're aware that the melody goes on for a while. You can have patterns vary around a bit, just so as long as they look like they ascend/descend in proper spots. Not a big deal.

- 20.178: try to make it clear which jumps are following the bass hit + synth melody layering and those that are following the really hard cymbal crashes (you see how you have two L/R jumps here for two different things?)
~So you're saying to make the one of the jumps a different set of arrows, not to get rid of it, right?
-> Yes. If you have a [L/R] accenting something, then don't use that same thing to accent something else, because you're essentially nullifying your first accent this way.
- 20.606: there should be some notes representing the synth melody alongside of the cymbal crashes (although, it seems intentionally omitted, no penalty here)
- 21.678: the note I gave you for the layering + cymbal crashes also holds true for the bass/synth melodies -- try to separate them for more relevance
~So you're saying for these things that I should try to keep the jumps for primarily either the cymbal or the bass, not both, right? Starting at m12 (18.89s) and continue from there in that section?
-> The first part of this note suggests a possible addition to your layering by accounting for the cymbals while using single notes to capture your synth melody, rather than stopping it. Both usages would be perfectly acceptable here - the former for relevance, the latter for difficulty control.
-> The second part of this note ties into the previous note. I mentioned that you should make different accents different arrows. This holds true to your synth repeats and your bass repeats. The area that I pointed out to you has the synth and the bass representing the down arrow for the repeats -- change one of them so that they each have their own respective accents (this way, it doesn't look like a particular instrument is repeating itself).


- 30.892 to 44.178: being that you're not layering anything on top of anything else, it's better to just ignore the repeated quarter notes for the bass drum and add pitch relevance to the synth melody (I would say layer in kicks but that screws your chart progression); this area seems fairly dull at the moment
~There's not much you can do with it except PR then change it up every measure but then it'd get boring and the jacks would be on the same arrow and get tiring. Unless I mirrored/turned left/turned right each time to change it.
-> This also goes back to doing derivatives of pitch relevancy. Lay it out as it should be, then mirror it, flip it left, flip it right, etc. This would stand as a call-and-response method, which is pretty nice looking visually. Alternatively, you could change pitch relevancy schemes altogether by shifting your relevance over one column/two columns/etc. Another thing you can do is add pitch relevancy to the 8th note part of the melodies and leave the area with the mini-jacks alone. There's a lot of things that can be done to make this part interesting!

- 43.964: this jump seems really awkwardly placed
~That is the same pattern that always messes with hi19 whenever he plays my files. For some reason or another, I love that pattern. I don't know why. As far as it being properly place in this spot, I agree that it really sort of isn't, but I'd hate to remove it for the sake of messing with hi19 :twisted: naw but seriously.
-> haha, well - it's not wrong alone. Perhaps you could add the other two jumps on the 8th/4th? Meh.

- 44.606 to 58.321: layering here is actually pretty strong, nice work
~One of my more favorite parts, thank you :]

- 78.892: 1/2 BPM cut makes this area seem like it's YNS
~I don't know what you mean by YNS :/
-> YNS = yellow note syndrome. You're giving this chart an appearance of being off by 1/16th of a note, because the overall structure of the song doesn't change from before -- yes, you're lacking a bass drum/percussion line, but you were lacking the same thing in the section immediately before this, yet the BPM was still 140. This isn't a huge deal, just moreso of an aesthetic thing.

- 85.749 to 99.464: the idea behind this structure is interesting - I like that you only PR the last note simply because it's the easiest one to accent. I also noticed that you reversed the PR in the second half.
~Another part where I didn't even mean to do it xD I guess I got lucky.
-> nice subconscious thinking! Checl the PR on the last notes - you can leave all of the other notes alone, but make sure the last note lands on the appropriate note for relevancy sake. There are a few slightly confusing spots to me.

- 92.499: no need for this jump to be here.
~Removed, I had debated against myself removing it before or not but I left it to keep the jumps going. I just changed it to be a [14] jump to a [23] jump to a 4 instead of it being [23] [14]. It looks nicer IMO but if it feels awkward then I might change it back.
-> yeah, it's just a ghosted jump at this point; probably better removed.

- 99.464: from here, the background percussion line dies down; adding jumps here is somewhat awkward - you might be able to add jumps before this, though
~The jumps go to the claps, the only sort of "percussion" persay that is being played at the time. Since the sound is different than the normal melody throughout the song, that's why I started it here and not earlier on.
-> When I'm mentioning percussion, I'm typically talking about the whole line of instruments that fill in the background of the song; your bass drum, snare, hi-hat, clap, whatever. The clap that you are following this section actually does exist in the section before this, it's just somewhat masked by the bass-drum/hats/etc. It's not a big deal, but it was something that definitely irked me quite a bit.

- 102.862: hit those cymbal crashes spread out from here to the end of this section -- they'll help boost this section a bit in variation
~What cymbal crashes? All I hear is bass and claps throughout this part. Unless you perceive them as cymbals (I dunno, I just think of them as claps because that's what they sound more like).
-> 102.892, 103.214, 103.535, 106.321, 106.642, 106.964, 109.749, 110.606, 111.464, 111.892 (you have this one stepped), 112.321 - these are all hard hits in the middle of a somewhat calmer section. Putting these in will give this section a bit more intensity, and it'll be memorable for newer players especially because it'll more than likely be the most layered part of the song, which is fitting considering the last part of the song is fairly calm.

- 113.178 to 126.892: relevance in pitch seems like it's being attempted, but it's only being done partially - possibly in an effort to add variation? This area also seems somewhat empty, even for an outro.
~I wouldn't know what to do because there's really nothing you can do. There's hardly a percussion line in the ending and otherwise it's all repeated melody.
-> Hmmm... the one thing that I see somewhat fitting for this ending is the repeating three note melody in the background; while this doesn't change at all, the last section is rather short. Otherwise, yeah, there's not too much to be done about this. Actually, looking at this section again - it's not too bad anyway.



iironiic 10-17-2011 12:13 PM

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Fixed Amen Iraq. I'll send it once I fix Obscene. Obscene is going to take a while to fix though since there are too many minor errors for me to fix with a few hours of sleep just because I was anxious to see the batch notes haha. I'll get around to it eventually haha.

ninjaKIWI 10-17-2011 02:16 PM

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I'd like to point out that the first file I ever stepped got accepted pce

Nullifidian 10-17-2011 02:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjaKIWI (Post 3552584)
I'd like to point out that the first file I ever stepped got accepted pce


woker-X 10-17-2011 02:56 PM

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I got 15/15 on my 2 files!!!... yay :3

ninjaKIWI 10-17-2011 03:35 PM

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Just to clarify, I wont be able to submit Mutant Sixty Four as a resubmission next batch because of the hard batch, right?

Ziergdsx18 10-17-2011 03:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjaKIWI (Post 3552584)
I'd like to point out that the first file I ever stepped got accepted pce

Born a pr0. :'3

Darkbreezee 10-17-2011 04:46 PM

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:(

Choofers 10-17-2011 04:50 PM

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I'll send fixes in a little bit. I'm just glad y'all enjoyed the 32nd wall lmao.

Coolboyrulez0 10-17-2011 05:09 PM

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:o

13/15
14/15

Could it be that rage-quitting stepping was a bad decision?
I'm quite happy at the moment to say the least, we'll see what the future holds for more files of mine.

Reshiram 10-17-2011 06:10 PM

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Everything got a 10/15...

Well, I guess that's gotta be a sign that I'm getting better, but still have work to do before I hit the big time.

Rebirth0 10-17-2011 09:24 PM

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Fleeting Fantasy: 8/15
Comments: You guys should obviously know this was meant to be an old school retard stream simfile to smash in as many points possible in the shortest time. If something like Vertex Beta got accepted then this is no different. Not going to change anything, because I just wanted to see what happened

Liberate: 15/15
Comments: best I could do with the repetitive song. I understand it would be better if it was cut but I'm not cutting it. If it was worth cutting, I would have cut it before sending it in. No matter though because its accepted

Try To Star: 13/15
Comments: lmao why is this 13/15 while Liberate is 15/15 this is infinitely better. This is more a simfile of my recent works. Even though I still made this two years ago.

Also, the gap issues were my fault. I added two seconds to two songs and didn't fix the gap. Forgot. Sorry, etc.

I will take a look at some of the things mentioned in the files but I'm not sure if I'm doing any fixing. Its possible. I typically get my point out with my first submission, and I usually don't like to change my files so you get what you get. But I'll take a look and we'll see

hi19hi19 10-17-2011 09:46 PM

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I'd bet strongly Vertex Beta wouldn't get in past today's judges.


Despite the fact it seems to be a lot of people's favorite song and file, and shows up in the most played daily list frequently. But it's not tEcHnIcAL so it would get slammed by the judges today, as you can see.

MarioNintendo 10-17-2011 09:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19 (Post 3552820)
I'd bet strongly Vertex Beta wouldn't get in past today's judges.


Despite the fact it seems to be a lot of people's favorite song and file, and shows up in the most played daily list frequently. But it's not tEcHnIcAL so it would get slammed by the judges today, as you can see.

I often think about that myself. Would songs like RATO and Death Piano be accepted today? Or even that classic Excite Bike... Not so sure. What's ironic is that people play them a lot to this day.

I guess this has to do with our more modern take on stepping.


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