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Reactions on Haku Clusterfuck D0

choof town ("let me level with you like I did with Zenith many a time")

Gradiant town (shitposting w/ Charu to avoid drama, calls out sunfan, and calls out inD "whether the group cares about it shouldn't make him not look at the avenue right now")

sunfan likely town (questioning YoshL on Charuread, secondguessing himself, and having fun... later: "unusual first read" to mellon, mindmeld with what I wrote)

YoshL slight townlean (shows initiative on Haku, sticks with it despite potential consequences, refuses to move, changes read on charu twice "I mean, I initially had him as like, kinda town for the seriousness..." not sure if joking when he said aragakiayase probably scum)(later: "i think, i don't really need to say anything other than it wasn't a slip"..."I was only commenting on the player count, and even fucked that up." ... "if you believe it's a slip still, then cool...." ... "haku's original implication ... taken at face value ... seems like a valid assumption to make, but honestly isn't that valid")

Freezin likely scum (quotes posts with reactions like "jesus christ" "can you not" and votes haku without knowing votecount, seemingly at L-1. If haku ever flips wolf, Freezin is wolf on the wagon fsr... later reasoning for the vote: "i knew it wasnt insta?" "although haku getting asploded would have been funny")
Freezin (like him slightly better in "bruh if i cared about getting on towns bad side i wouldnt have done all that blatantly chaotic stuff" ... "but whatever floats your boat" ... "oh ok so you didnt read my posts gotcha", because his self referencing in those posts is in blatant contrast with his last game as Jade Harley)(also "heads up if eod comes and sunfan still hasn't clarified his vote on me atm im going to vote him no questions asked" which he later backed up by quoting sunfans vote and calling him out again)(why are freezin and inD both focusing on sunfan all of a sudden?)
Freezin maybe town "oh, I get it" ... to gradiant: "dude im shaking my head at you ... your the one whose a fucking cheesecake you completely misunderstood that post and went on a retarded tirade about it" ... "and now your vomiting words in my lap like this is somehow my fault" ... "thats my argument you fruitcake" Starting to see Freezin/Gradiant as T/T

inD null-slightwolflean (called out by Gradiant and responded with "I'm actually just lazy and don't want to do it tonight but I do think there's something to be gained from it". Also weird comment to freezin "how's that chaos going for you" when freezin omgused choof's vote. also "sunfan/yoshl, you two seem to be getting different things out of charu's posts. sunfan, can you develop why "those posts" make him null?") inD also defending YoshL "but the way his posts were phrased"... "doesn't need to make him out to be a wolf"
inD looks better for ("freezin has kind of a thing about "appeasement" as town...", "reminder to ask sunfan tomorrow whether he means this") (also, why are freezin and inD both focusing on sunfan all of a sudden?)
inD looks worse again for refocusing on Freezin when Gradiant kept pushing Freezin. also "has he ever seen you wolf" to YoshL gives the impression that he thinks yosh is always town

mellon odd for defending Freezin off the bat and not saying much else other than "you guys are going hard early"

Haku probably town for "Is the bold a slip? it's like you knew my alignment already at this point" to YoshL about 11p nightstart

Charu to Haku: "then don't be bait, unless you love playing like bait" ?



Stopped at "ok if you cant deal with cognitive dissonance maybe your playing the wrong game"


^^^raw unedited so sorry for the format
In reading up the day after writing that (but still before replacing), Charu seemed off but that's still a diagnosis in progress, and I'd reset Haku back to null for fading out of thread and not posting as much since that shit went down

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Are you admitting your a wolf here?

Your said you're going to tunnel me, and you said that's how you won your last game...as a wolf.

Hmmmmm

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This feels like something haku would say lol

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Addendum to last post

Stated intent of tunneling when combined with his lack of reads.

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Not more town, just more readable. I'm not making a case of your low activity, I'm making a case about your first game-related post being a vote on the top wagon of the day for iffy "gut" reasons. Can you see how an inactive wolf would want to do the same exact thing to make it look like they contributed at least SOMETHING to the thread, regardless of Freezin's alignment? This post (that I'm replying to right now) doesn't reassure me about you, either, because it's your second game related post and only serves to defend yourself without developing your thoughts more. Can you try to solve the game? If not, can you at least post some more detailed thoughts about the game? Please?

Why? Can you elaborate on this a little more?

It's both. I want you to post more, and I find your vote on Freezin to be inherently scummy in consideration of his status as "most widely scumread" and your status as "hasn't posted anything until this vote".

Lol. If this is how you feel, would you mind elaborating? Even if only just to fixate on me and Charu, please do try to dig and scumhunt a bit. Why do you feel like you're being toyed with by the mafia?

because, right now, I think you're a lot more like "the shady guy in the corner" with 4 posts and a weird vote than the guy who has the most posts in thread and is actively working to defend himself

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The entire first post by shado on this page is simply chaotic to me to try and piece together. It's hard to conceive what he's feeling personally, and it gives me the vibe that it could just be made as a facade just to push out opinions about people, so he can seem like an explanative player. The lack of sensible content in that long post is what's jarring.

I don't know, it's my nature to sit back and observe lol...wolf or not. It's interesting to me how you have put serious effort into reversing the scenario of what I said about the "shady guy" back onto me. I give you kudos for your ability to flip around interrogation.

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I'm not feeling like shado is wolfy atm however. I would like to hear more from Litodude for posting short responses yet picking at everyone, for example: Instances like this, as well as calling me out before for not posting and attributing it to wolfy behavior last games. Seems like a sly guy who hasn't received enough attention.

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As votes stand right now I don't believe the majority of these votes are serious, but again, I will take it at face value based on the activity on the thread:

suns:
my vote on suns is legitimate and is drawn from my own conclusions from my own logical deductions. call it tunneling but i believe this most strongly, and stand by my assessment thatyoshl/charu/choof + UTR are remaining wolves as previously stated.

freezin's vote on suns is permanent believe, but his reasonings differ from mine and i cannot adequately back him up for his line of thinking because i have strong reason to believe he's mentally handicapped.

haku's still in the process of vote switching, so i don't believe this is legitimately going to stand, and will continue to evolve in the later stages. i also think this guy is paranoid in voting, and can easily be manipulated by a paragraph of shit posts, akin to mid-west republican americans with russia-led propaganda.

tokzic's vote on suns was definitely a joke. but as i said in my previous post (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=756) i won't discount it and will consider it a legitimate vote the closer it gets to eod and is sketch still


freezin:
gradient's vote was out of contempt and also from 'scum reading' early on. while i was concerned with feigning anger, i believe gradient was legitimately pissed from freezin's idiotic play. shadow replaced him, so i'm back at square 1.

suns: legitimate(?) retaliation vote on freezin as seen by the last 2 pages (i run 80 ppp).

lightknight: also a legitimate vote, albeit hasty, and is drawn from 'scum reading', but i am unsure to just give this a pass at this stage.


roundbox:

inD: i think mentioned a couple hundred pages ago he was just waiting for rbx to post his thoughts as an anti-utr vote, also another vote that's for feels


lightknight:

charu: sorry i forgot the reasoning (something about me ignoring posts) but i can also assume this is a safety vote for lightknight inactivity?


litodude:

choof: didn't like my blue-hunting explanation of freezin, but also partially believe this is still a temp vote.


indheart:

yoshl: i think this was a partially legitimate vote, but i can't exactly remember, and i'm not going back to read. i don't know how to feel about this vote outside of my statmenet


raeko:

do something


roundbox:

finish your shit

here's the rest of my 'reads' previously, in case anyone missed it

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=756

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Yo Lito having fun calling me retarded?

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How about actual thoughts on the current situation between me and sunfan and taking a stance that isn't calling me an idiot and ignoring everything outside of your narrow purview

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Nah, I didn't like his vote on Freezin when he didn't really add anything to it. Also just springing up suddenly like that in the middle of sun's and ice's arguing.

...But I suppose 50% of the vote does come from due to inactivity.

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no

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@freezin

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Doesn't that classify as that "shady dude in the corner" persona though?

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@AA Gradiants vote on Freezin should be replaced with my vote on lightknight924. Also, my vote came before Charu's.

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take a second to see past your own hand and consider the inanity of me 'posting short responses' that is your incapability of reading most of my other posts that have outlined my reasoning extensively and then me replying immediately to those that post after.

here's a link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...archid=6097114

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Ok. Could you elaborate on why?

Do you think it's not important?

Do you think it has no merit?

Do you lean towards believing sunfans explanation has merit? How does that reconcile with your current views on him?

Do you have a reason for wanting to keep your opinions on the subject to yourself?

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@Lito, I'm surprised you missed this in all your vote analysis glory. Especially considering Charu's vote on lightknight was placed in the same post as a quote of me asking him to join me

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@shadow
i skim through posts and ignore people views until they succumb to my own perview

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are you legitimately asking me why i don't think calling you retarded is fun?

are you retarded?

i don't really know if you're joking or not

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Little bit random, but @Charu, what're your thoughts on roundbox this phase? What did you think of his person-by-person reads?

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I understand what you're saying, but why the complexity of language? What point are you trying to get across that your extensive reasoning is outlined by these short posts that react to those that post before and after you.

Also that link leads nowhere lol. I still like to keep my vote on lito for now.

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Obviously not

Does that make any sense? Follow the flow of the conversation

>I ask you for thoughts on sunfan vs me and other questions

> you say no

> I ask more questions

I'd quote the posts but they just happened

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oh you mean this


my stance on the situation between you and suns is me thinking you are an idiotic schizo because half of your posts are trying to ask people questions and determining whether you think their answers to questions are fishy, and the other half of your posts is asking YOURSELF if you think your own reasoning of your own questions are sound

you know my thoughts on suns

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I didn't mind them, except when he talked about me of course lol, I didn't really see much of his posts to warrant an attack other than that.

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Ok. Obviously I disagree with your take but I'm glad you gave it all the same.

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sorry i will keep terse:

1. click my name
2. click 'find more posts by litodude'
3. ???
4. profit

i mean i don't know what methods u guys use to find people's past posts but this is 100 for me

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Do you agree with sunfans arguments against me? Do they affect your views on him at all?

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haven't read them.

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sorry didn't read

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You probably should. I would like your opinion of it.

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lmao idk man im trying like,,,,as much as i am able to before my caffeine infused Care(tm) about this game dies off...was hoping to make it as poignant as possible for others who might feel the same on all my thoughts

pce

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Which post are you referring to? I use 80ppp on computer and 50ppp on phone, so I don't know which one you're referring to. I like to think all my posts are sensible. Which opinions do you feel I tried to push out?
Fair enough, people take different approaches to playing. You will find, though, that even the most watchful and observant players will take the time to outline the results of their observation in thread. Sharing your thoughts is essential for you to be read, and your observations should be used to find wolves. Simply saying you're observing isn't enough, some form of scumhunting needs to result from that.
I don't really appreciate the insinuation that I worked hard to spin anything a certain way. The only thing I said about your "shady guy" comment is that you can't really compare your 4 posts to his 270, and calling him the shady guy in the corner seems hypocritical.
More importantly, though, what interrogation? I don't believe you made an attempt to interrogate me at all? Or are you talking about Freezin? I don't think your read on him counts as an interrogation, either.

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I think ignoring interactions will lead to a lt of your reads feeling incomplete because you will be missing context to a lot of the situations and conversations

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Votes from post 1 to post 1073
Night in 6:05:06
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- thesunfan -- Tokzic (7), Litodude (52), FreezinIce (280), Hakulyte (63)
• 2 -- Lightknight924 -- ShadoWolfe (28), Charu (170)
• 2 -- Litodude -- choof (59), Lightknight924 (7)
• 1 -- roundbox -- inDheart (36)
• 1 -- FreezinIce -- thesunfan (163)
• 1 -- inDheart -- YoshL (67)
• 2 -- not voting -- mellonxcollie (5), roundbox (19)

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A lot*

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Thanks.
Warrant an attack? Does that mean you have him as pretty null for now, or do you think he's town?

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Well, he's offered some cool insight of his own, which is definitely a town trait, so I'd give him a town pass for the day just for his posts alone.

Even if the one about me was wrong, hee hee hee.

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Is it just me, or did this TWG suddenly turn to not being fun?

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Because I'll be honest fam, I'm seeing way more bitter posts than I am seeing happy go lucky clash of logics going on.

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Happy go lucky being filled with passion of course, lmao

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I could post funny pictures if you want to lighten up the mood

Not sure it would help

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Yeah I'm not a fan of seeing people called retarded and people saying other people are a pain to play with and they should just quit. That sort of shit has nothing to do with the game and really doesn't belong here.

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Ahahaha oh yai

Wait

You were srs

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Remember our first game together where we threw insults at each other like snowballs and just generally made a huge fucking mess of the whole thread?

Good times

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But it is FFRTWG so what can you do. At least retarded can be read as hyperbole, but telling someone that nobody enjoys playing with them and that everyone wants to avoid them is just cruel and personal.

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Summary of this twg so far:

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Yeah not a fan of this either. Or the personal agenda against haku that was completely not game related

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Yeah.. I did the same with inD and MML that game. Just insults all around, regardless of who started it or who was right.
Good times, maybe, but that game made me realize I shouldn't take things so personally and that I should go elsewhere if I wanted to berate and insult peeps. I like to think I've kept it more civil since, with a couple of exceptions 😅

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Definitely.

Me I'm not so sure but I try :x

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Why does : x make that face lol

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Was it?

I sow the seeds of chaos.

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Could it be a good sign? Maybe the 3 wolves are angry over the stupidity of how the game progressed and we have that other group of town players who just didn't like the post quality of other town players.

If anything, I feel like we're exactly where we should be.

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Surprised this isn't accompanied by the majora moon.

Are you caught up?

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Hey General Chaos.

Thoughts on me vs sunfan so far? Could I get you to elaborate and explain your vote on him? As well as general reads on other people? Really looking for some content from you today.

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had to put our puppy down today, really not feeling up to doing anything today

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Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooo

I'm so sorry dude

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My condolences

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Wanna grab a beer? I was at Starbucks cuz my Internet was down at the house

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Sorry to hear that, dude.
I hope you feel better soon, and I'm sure you made him/her a happy pup while before s/he passed

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not today, I drank too much yesterday lol
let's do coffee some time this week, gonna text you now

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Got u fam, makers and finders downtown whenever, I work out of a coworking space near there during the week

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you saying that the post isn't "as 0/10 as you think" because (small semantic reason about the wagon on you when I still wagoned the fuck out of DBP on d0) bothered me, Shado

it didn't talk about the other points where I know I was countering him perfectly and commented on something small that you found fault with

I did get angry because the push was on me, like I wouldn't have gotten angry if the push was on anyone else, but I feel positive that nothing about my response to him comes from OMGUS aside from the anger.

I feel like I have evaluated his push as objectively as I can

when you look at the progression when I was first reading it you can honestly tell that I read it three times and responded to things that bothered me each time because I was trying to decipher it

I really don't think that my logic or whatever you want to call it has been affected because it was a push on me

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litodude caring about me posting a lot when I said I wasn't going to is also a bad read

no one seems to be pointing it out but he's caring about a small discrepancy from the early game that should be not alignment indicative and he's not reading posts, which was something he didn't do when we played in a FFYA game on discord; he read literally everything and posted like a madman

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before my reread, I'd YOLOguess freezin/lito/x with the x being someone getting mostly townread up to this point (maybe roundbox)

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also, my condolences choof
went through the same thing recently

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Tokzic
Reads, please.
Anything, really.

Raeko......... Please post T-T

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I will secede this point and agree though I won't backtrack and unvote; I'll spend the afternoon cleaning until my Internet is hopefully back up as reading on mobile is painful

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like, what do you mean you can see where Freezin was coming from, Shado
please talk to me about that

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This I can 100% agree with. I always think/say I'm going to post less than I do, because theres a lot of IRL shit to do and only so little time. Then I get sucked into the game and all my rational time limitations go out the window

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Sorry I'm not bothering to read literally over a thousand posts on day 0

Sorry I didn't choose yoshl who is my other 'read' instead of you who also said 'I'll be busy' then continued to post

Sorry that I don't view people's past performance in games as indicative nature of their current performance because I treat and view each game as a new and specific circumstance, and take face value accounts for their posts because $player could be lying, while trying to correlate their actions with their statement and not be accused of 'angle shooting'

Sorry that I view bandwagoning on freezin/Haku early game as sounding like bullying wolves would do

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I didn't hop on freezin/haku in the early game
I screamed at the top of my lungs for people to stop voting for Haku

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Idk how else u want me to defend my reasoning but I am ADAMANT about not vote changing at this point and will DUTIFULLY defend myself on u until eod even on mobile

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Some of you post too much
I'll be on later

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I did, multiple times. When he said he felt you were too neutral and in the background, and that was reminiscent of previous games, I couldn't help but nod upon reading it. You can get pissed at me if you want because of all the differences you perceive between your games and because of how you "tunneled two people to death", but it DID FEEL THAT WAY. Even last game, I was begging you for reads because of how in the background you were and how neutral you seemed. Your tunnel of me was only a tunnel in that you didn't change your vote. I don't remember much of you ever pushing hard, hence why I kept wanting you to post more and get more involved.

Obvs that's different now that you've gone ballistic on Freezin, but that reminiscent feeling is exactly why his "push" isn't 0/10, and also why you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility that he believes what hes writing, or dismiss my objection as semantics.

By all means, push him until he croaks, but just have a backup vote ready for tonight

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Like what the FUCK kind of statement is this LMFAO

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I was giving Haku advice on why the plan he laid out in his monster post that you probably didn't read wouldn't work

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Shado, how sure are you about having a backup vote
its the third time you've said it now

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........
Tell me you honestly think he's scumreading Haku, there? That post reads like advice to a town that their approach at solving is bad and isnt going to work. If that's the best you've got, then you're being biased fsr

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The only people to acknowledge it was Haku and choof and it got left behind

I literally read that post like wtf and made my first statement about it http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=529