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A part of it is also that I actually kind of like Leon, Sakura, and Mondo this phase. Byakuya I'm less sure on but Kyoko for sure seems like the kind of person who just makes a few strong posts but doesn't really invest in the outcome

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is yasuhiro acquired? my senses are tingling
still voting hifumi over him tho

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No, signing up for this game was just a mistake

I'm going with my gut this time tho

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do I get mad props if I call you the acquisitioner but don't vote you?

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ModImpersonation.exe initiated

1 - Makoto - Chihiro
2 - Hifumi - Sakura, Leon
1 - Leon - Mondo
1 - Mondo - Kyoko
2 - Kyoko - Yasuhiro, Byakuya

Want Phantoms- Hifumi, Makoto, Mukuro

:59 good
:00 bad

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oh yeah I kinda forgot mukuro was in this game
that's sad that she's not here

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kyoko is a miss I think

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I'm not the acqui but you shouldn't be voting for me regardless

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why

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I'm assuming you're meaning the part where i think she's a miss?

what about her is wolfy to you exactly

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good news: I'm not voting for you

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mondo is this what you were referring to??

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There was one post that Chihiro mentioned where Kyoko gave a bunch of weak scum reads. There was a lot of words but the post wasn't that helpful. It was like what Sayaka was doing but the other way around.

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or it's just playing into the character? big possibility considering their character's actual role

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If it's a role then Kyoko has four minutes to cut the fucking act

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I don't know about Danganronpa, so...

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You keep coming back to this even though she claimed not to be rping and has said doing it is anti town

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she's the ultimate detective in danganronpa

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I misread this

p sure she said rping was antitown earlier

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yasuhiro isn't ending his sentences with periods

a c q u i s i t i o n e r

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There's no time for periods son

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If I weren't invested in the outcome, I wouldn't have bothered sticking my neck out to vote Mondo in the first place. I'd have set a nice, easy vote on an inactive player that couldn't fight back. Of course, I'm going to have to change my vote now, since me dying does nothing to help us.

Hifume




The funny thing is, I don't think Yusuhiro is the Acqui, or a wolf.

They're wrong here, and it does feel like a last minute attempt to do something, but it feels genuine in that regard.

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Fuck you gusy. Hard claming doctor. Fuck off of me

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twgv]Yasuhiro[/twgv]

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game is hard
hifumi

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saved Kiyotaka and chihiro b4

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hifumi for self-pres. Fuck you guys.

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twgv]Hifume[/twgv]

Is the periods thing real? Don't have time to check.

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Out right now, stop posting gimmi a sec

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If I’m not mistaken there is yet another 3 way KITB,

00:59 good
00:00 bad

Re: TWG CLXXVIII: Danganronpa [Game Thread]
 

KITB between Hifumi, Kyoto, and Yasahiro.

Random.org had chosen

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This shits hard on mobile. Night begin. 24h.

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what.

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Possibilities: Lucio did get acqui'd, wolves targeted Lucio, identity wolf either ran out of targets/was blocked. Only one kill is just ??? to me. At this point I would expect Chihiro to have been acqui'd. I think Leon is just too likely to be maf to pass on today. I think I have to trust that Byakuya and Makoto are town as well. There are only three maf so I think we've still got one more mislynch (8 players are alive today).

Oh ya if the acqui can be roleblocked maybe Leon is just the acqui and keeps being stuck as leon. Just spitballing here.
Leon

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Where were you last EOD, Mondo?

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Not checking the thread. As I predicted, cfd, and it ended up in a villa dying. I know it's a common thing here but can we please stop with the last minute vote changing. It's anti-town.
Is there a reason you need to know where I was or are you just trying to point fingers?

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You're usually pretty active, so I expected you to be around at EOD.

Why are CFD's anti-town? They're unfortunate sure but D0 it got us a wolf

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Because a cohesive town block is more beneficial than jumping around to a target that more or less ends up being random. Yes we hit maf d0 but there's no guarantee we could have hit one by reaching a consensus. It doesn't do a lot of good to argue about it now though.
If you mean I'm usually active as in you think you know who I am, might want to reconsider. I wasn't really able to be here consistently d2 but I've been keeping up and posting when I feel it's necessary.

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Okay, I have another guess for who you are.

I want to grill Kyoko more. She's the only alive wagon from yesterday, and Yashurio made some good points against her.

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Oh, it's spelled Yasuhiro. Japanese names, I swear.

Also, I was looking up Danganronpa today, and CHIHIRO IS A BOY???

BUT.

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it's kind of obvious.

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Tfw you put in your account password to see if it lets you sign in...is very dramatic...

I obviously regret voting for Yasuhiro... I thought it was really convenient how he hadn't been being considered because we thought he would die anyway...his argument about momentum against Hifumi did nothing for me... only 2 people can even both be mafia...I had way more momentum against me D1 and all he could say to me was "Pfft.".. I'm sorry for my part in it being a shitshow ... I was more focused on making vote counts than making my decision...

I'm not sure why Leon wasn't in kitb when Mondo and I were both voting him by :59?!

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He never answered why he was so dramatic about having to vote Hifumi... afaict it's just more lip service since he was obviously laying groundwork for a Hifumi vote...voting for Yasuhiro after saying he didn't want to lynch the acquisitioner is confusing...

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I blocked Kyoko...thought her argument that she would be too afraid to push an active player as mafia was pretty stupid, and so was the refusal to move off of Mondo until she was a lynch candidate... or at least if you're going to do that... maybe actually try to talk to Byakuya into voting with you when he mentions being suspicious of Mondo's behavior... if you're actually invested in it.

Not ignoring the possibility that she put the doctor in kitb on purpose either...

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Yasuhiro didn't have 2 votes at :59 though, in spite of Kyoko's snipe there...Leon should've been in instead...

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...Kyoko

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Switch role block leads to one fewer kill this night. kyoko

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Paging makoto to the twg area
Please play twg.

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Why are you town reading me when I'm playing like garbage

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It's hard

Irl stuff getting in the way.

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Holy shit, stop eating my posts. Have some (a lot of) words.

This is why I harp so much on mechanics. The events of the night don't fully exonerate me, but putting actual thought into the results leads to a whole host of possibilities.

There was one, and only one death last night--Yasuhiro's. There are only three ways a player can die at night in this game: factional nightkill, identification nightkill, or acquisition. Therefore, Yasuhiro was either the Acquisitioner moving on to a new host, was targeted by the wolves, or both.

In the chaos at the end of the day, Yasuhiro hard claimed doctor.

This is relevant because it made Yasu an obvious target for the wolves at night. It doesn't seem coincidental that probably the most potent town role remaining died immediately after claiming—but it's possible. As much as it would work to my advantage to suggest that Yasu probably wasn't the Acqui, I can't do that. Because the more I think about it, the more I think they were.

There are several reasons to think otherwise. The general consensus seems to be that the Acquisitioner would avoid active players--this makes sense, as activity draws suspicion and lynchability, while also potentially drawing nighttime violence from the wolves. And perhaps most importantly, the more active a player has been (and thus has more content to parse), the greater the risk of being detected as a fraud. It would also be a hell of a coincidence for the most obvious wolf target to have been the Acquisitioner at the exact same time, albeit not impossible.

The possibility of Yasu having been the Acqui is, however, somewhat supported by EoD/night--the sudden lack of punctuation pointed out at EoD was real, although Junko (the only known Acqui) used punctuation more frequently than that (although not all the time). More telling is simply the results of the night. With the Divist dead, and the Acqui incentivized to mow through the player pool, it seems likely that Yasu was the then-Acqui by virtue of being the only death. Otherwise, we have to assume that the Acqui either chose not to acquire a new account last night, or somehow failed to do so despite the Divist being gone (presumably by trying to acquire Yasu for today, which seems...stupid, even without the benefit of hindsight).

Whether or not Yasu was the Acqui, then there are only two ways Yasu could have been attacked/died from wolf action: factional kill and ID kill. Your premise is that since there was one less kill, the block had to have been successful. The thing is, if Yasu was targeted by the wolves, it was almost certainly via factional kill.

You yourself provided several players that you believe you had identified:

Not listed here was Yasu, which would suggest that, in a general way at least, their actual identity is harder to determine. Byakuya seems to think Byakuya's identifiability is limited

so it seems a stretch to apply an ID kill to Yasu, someone even more comparatively obscured. This is even more the case since Yasu has now flipped as doctor. The wolves would want to guarantee a nightkill of a town power role, and would be unable to do so with the specter of misidentification.

Basically, the only reasonable outlet for Yasu, claimed doctor, being targeted by wolves last night was via a normal wolfkill. Which, of course, is inconsistent with the possibility of blocking me having prevented that kill, since Yasu is dead.

Now the obvious counterpoint is that the wolves could have targeted someone else, most likely Chihiro due to their claim. After all, if Yasu was the Acqui, and 'Norted someone else last night, that would account for Yasu's death. But if Yasu didn't self-protect (the OP doesn't say if the doctor had that ability as far as I can tell, but it doesn't really matter), then Yasu could have protected Chihiro, making them immune to a nightkill. Of course, the question remains whether evil-Yasu would have wanted to do that.

So I see three basic ways the night could have played out.

1. In order to eliminate the doctor, the wolves chose Yasu for their factional nightkill. However Yasu-Nort probably chose bulletproof as one of their bonus traits, and transferred to another person. Yasu died, essentially killed two ways for the price of one.

2. In order to eliminate the blocker, the wolves chose Chihiro for their factional nightkill. This was prevented by doctor protection, but Yasu still died due to moving onto their next account. This seems less likely, because there's not an absolute incentive for Yasu-Nort to protect town.

3. Yasu was not acquired, and was an uncorrupted town player who was killed by the wolves, presumably by normal NK for the reasons stated above. This seems the least likely of the three, because it leaves the actions of the Acqui unaccounted for.

Obviously, there's a scenario where I was blocked and that's why there was only one death. But given the way the day ended, if I was a wolf, I would never chosen to be the one to deliver the night kill. Given that it seems likely that Yasu was the Acquisitioner, scenario 1 makes sense to me--the wolves wanted to kill the doc, and wound up with an empty husk instead.

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This is kind of a weak excuse though. Even if you predicted cfd, if you wanted to avoid that outcome, you could have argued against what was happening.

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My points against Mondo still stand. His later explanation was better, but he's still the best vote at this point in my estimation. I'll make a longer case in a minute.

Mondo


As to your comments above, they don't make sense. I was too afraid to push an active player...so I pushed active player Mondo all day? As to what happened at the end, allow me to clarify--and why your complaint makes no sense, regardless of what happened.

1. A wagon suddenly formed against me, late.

2. I know my own alignment--I'm town. It was therefore against my interest--which is to say the town's interest--to allow myself to be lynched without trying to avoid it. I didn't know Hifuni's alignment, which meant that even though they turned out to be town, it was less likely to me than my own town status. Hifuni, moreover, had been extremely inactive--even setting aside the somewhat suspicious timing of his few posts, he couldn't be counted on to do anything at any point, and thus his ability to contribute was limited.

3. So I voted for the least harmful alternative of other possible wagons.

4. Then things went to hell. Leon posted his observation about Yasu's punctuation very close to the deadline. I saw that (and the multiple votes on Yasu) as soon as I made my initial Hifuni vote. I didn't have time to check Yasu's posts myself, but given that someone else besides Leon--specifically you--

jumped on it, I assumed that the observation was legitimate. After all, I assumed then and now that based on your claim that you're town, and thus were at least acting in good faith. In a sudden time crunch, I immediately voted Yasu.

5. At that point, I saw the doctor claim, made in response to the sudden Yasu wagon, and I tried to leap off, but :00 came before I could.

N.B.: Ironically, I'm now convinced that Yasu was in fact that correct option in that split--since they were the only player killed last night, it stands to reason that Yasu was Junko's latest incarnation. If Yasu wasn't the Acqui, then your block on me has no probative value at all, since that would require Yasu to unquestionably have been killed by the wolves, and them doing so via an ID kill makes no sense.

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unvote I want to read the longer case on Mondo

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Well first things first I didn't say you were pushing an inactive. I was saying this post I quoted was a bad defense. You didn't argue anything new to try to get people to vote with you on Mondo after giving one questionable interpretation of one of his posts... I voted you to force you to actually affect the lynch outcome or die... In addition to my suspicions.

But...I think you're right that Yasuhiro as acquisitionee stacked with the mafia regular kill is the simplest explanation...it is still possible I blocked your attempt to stack on him... but...Unvote

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Kyoko spouting lots of wine.

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If kyoko isn't a wolf Leon definitely is, though.

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agreed

you guys should have stuck with my period read lmao

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"I have to trust that Byakuya and Makoto are town as well"

"maybe Leon is just the acqui"

you're throwing shit on the walls and hoping something sticks.

what are your actual opinions?

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I don't think you or kyoko are partners but one of you is maf. I'm almost certain about that. Beyond that I'm just trying to form a PoE but it's not easy.

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again this is really arbitrary

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Well I don't really have any better ideas. The only person I'm sure isn't maf is chihiro and he could very well be the acqui.

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If Mukuro isn't mafia I'm confused why they're getting so little attention....

....Half of Celestia's posts were about Aoi....you never mentioned Aoi until after Aoi died..........what were you even mindmelding about?

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You thought you had a lead on Mondo and Yasuhiro having info they shouldn't...........and then random vote Leon.......makes total sense

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You're such a perfect picture of blissful unawareness...it's practically a caricature........

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If the missing kills are not due to Leon being blocked, we have a wolf team that seems to have failed every single night with avoiding the doc's save and/or with identity guesses...

The only thing Mukuro has been engaged with and seemingly genuine about...is not being acquisitioner...regardless of alignment she cannot even **** muster the effort to vote people for reasons besides placeholders...

If she's not being inactivity modkilled I will seriously consider her lynch on this basis.

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So I promised a case against Mondo yesterday, and here it is, broken up into chunks that are still probably too big.

Mondo's play in this game can be largely characterized by three recurring behaviors: a mechanically unjustified fascination with the Identity Wolf role, single-minded aggressive player cases that are abandoned as soon as something more convenient comes along, and repeated OMGUS posting.

Where to begin? Mondo's cases and discussion betray an almost pathological fascination with the identity wolf. The thing is, there's no indication that it's been a particularly prominent role, or even had any effect at all. If we assume that the Acqui has been actively moving from player to player--and we know it happened the first night at least, given the Junko flip info--then there's been only one wolf kill per night. It stands to reason that this should be the factional kill—there's no indication that the ID kill isn't equally subject to block or doctor protection. But regardless of whether or not the wolf kills have been factional or ID (or both), Mondo has been built his world-building—and his overall persona—around the idea.

Most people accepted that the ID wolf is a thing and have, I would assume, either taken steps to conceal their identities, or just played and hoped they couldn't be identified. But Mondo felt the need to explain how bullshit the role was, as though he couldn't possibly be a wolf and was scandalized by this totally unfair mechanic.

“I can't be the ID wolf guys, because I don't know who's who. And because I hate that role. Check out how not the ID wolf I am!”

“but like I said I won't really know who's who this game”

So the previous post wasn't just a “I don't know who's who YET”—which is how I initially read it—but a full on “I can't figure out identities, you can trust me.” Of course, once it turned out that no one was concerned with that, suddenly it's easy to identify people and that's clearly what was happening at night.


Day 2

For someone so concerned with the ID wolf, it's curious that the possibility of misidentification never enters Mondo's mind. Instead, it obviously has to be that there was a block/doc save, almost as if he knew. It's also interesting how adamant he was on D1 that he was bad at the ID thing, but one that was safely past, he knew for sure who Celestia (who died) was, since it was convenient to his then-purpose.

I've harped on this concept before, but this whole mode of thinking is problematic. As far as I can tell, the ID kill is equally susceptible to blocks/saves. Even if one is 100% certain who Celestia is, the equal likelihood of a rolepower stopping the kill means that assuming an ID kill is 50-50 at best. Of course, Mondo's been preoccupied with that the entire game...

His reads expand to whatever is convenient to make a case; at that point, he also self-insulates, since “who would ever admit to knowing who someone was?” The point is, he goes from a self-claimed “I can't ID anyone” schtick to “it's totally obvious that...” on multiple occasions, despite his self-professed IDing limitations.

Again with this. I had problems with this yesterday, but it fits a troubling pattern of behavior. There's this obsession with the identity wolf, even to the point that it blinds Mondo to mechanical probabilities.

We're back to this post. Can someone's reads expand across the game? Sure. But Mondo's “who's who” keeps expanding as needed to pressure whatever case he happens to be pursuing.

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At the same time, his cases almost always follow the path of least resistance. He jumped on Aoi right away, and pushed hard on that, despite the fact that the reason for the vote was a relatively innocuous comment early on the first day. Now, that's actually somewhat understandable—there's not a lot to go on at first, and Aoi's statement in question was, at best, awkwardly expressed. I can understand how it drew suspicion, but Mondo hammered that point repeatedly. This is straight up tunneling.

This is a huge proportion of posts dedicated toward Aoi. That's fine, I guess, except their case never changes, because Aoi hadn't really posted since their initial problem post. This was just continuously repeating the same basic claims, safely hammering the point.

When Aoi posts a long response, Mondo backs off. That's understandable...but why such a huge volume to the point of obsession if a mere response merited an unvote?

Even after the unvote, Aoi remains apparently preoccupied with Aoi, although at least these instances are in response to to discussion from other players (Byakuya, Junko).

Later, he conveniently town reads the only known wolf almost out of nowhere.

And, of course, after cooling on their Aoi read, ends up back on Aoi for his actual vote—conveniently protecting Sayaka.

His reason for returning to Aoi, predictably, is...vague.

At the same time, he chooses to view Aoi's first day behavior as an anti-ID tactic, which Mondo considers problematic apparently despite claiming to be doing the same thing himself earlier in the day.

It also, again, speaks to his preoccupation with identity and identification. And although he expressed a general willingness to be talked elsewhere

That didn't materialize satisfactorily for him, even though both other wagons turned out to be non-town. Ultimately, Mondo committed to his Aoi vote, helping to generate the coinflips he claims to hate.

***

His case against Leon also feels somewhat tunneled.

An interesting switch, considering he previously found that sort of behavior offensive.

And this plus his ID world building is apparently his whole case there.

Other people have made more compelling cases against Leon than this, but he's been vacillating between the two of us, despite the fact that he's been surprisingly reluctant to actually dive into Leon's posts. Path of least resistance.

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Now, let's move to the topic of OMGUS.

Even his return to Aoi suspicion was premised around a slight call out.


His strongest scumread besides Aoi was due to OMGUS.

OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS.


As soon as my challenges toward Mondo start making him uncomfortable, he becomes suspicious of me.