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xinpig
04-26-2008, 11:59 PM
So i know this one girl who has gone all the way with another girl. My friend says that she is not a virgin anymore. However I totally disagree. I thought that virginity was lost when.....yeah. too graphic. so what do you think?

Wow. this seems to be a hot button topic LMAO.

JKPolk
04-27-2008, 12:02 AM
Wow. this seems to be a hot button topic LMAO.

Yeah 1 minute really brings out the chattiness in people.

Also, virginity is sexual intercourse, and as such I'd say she's not still a virgin.

EnR
04-27-2008, 12:02 AM
JK, you said she's still a virgin, but you voted that she isn't? wut.

windsurfer-sp
04-27-2008, 12:03 AM
What the

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:03 AM
it was without toys and such so...

Xception704
04-27-2008, 12:03 AM
hymen.

windsurfer-sp
04-27-2008, 12:05 AM
How did this make critical thinking again?

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:06 AM
i put it here. i thought about chit chat but.....

MixMasterLar
04-27-2008, 12:08 AM
How did this make critical thinking again?

haha I agree, DEV SAVE US

ps no she isnt. Dude what are you talking about

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:08 AM
what it really comes down to is how you define the act of losing your virginity. the good ol wiki doesnt seem to help much and i wanted opinions.

MixMasterLar
04-27-2008, 12:11 AM
Dude, it's any kind of intercourse. I mean...well...um

HOW IM I 'SPOSE TO EXPLAIN THIS? someone go get Chrissi

EDIT: I guess I better stop till Dev moves the thread. I like to keep my record of no site bans

psychopete
04-27-2008, 12:12 AM
Doubleposting is frowned upon, xinpig. ):

And she's not a virgin if she's had sexual intercourse, even if it was with another woman. That's generally how it goes in this day and age.

windsurfer-sp
04-27-2008, 12:13 AM
I would define virginity as contact with the genitals. In the end of the day its what you define as morally right or wrong that matters where you draw the line of virgin/not virgin is rather irrelevant.

No offense but if you want to make a serious topic about sex related topics, approach it with some form of maturity. A poll is for immature teenage girls to vote people off big brother. Define the problem, give your opinion and engage in intelligent discussion....

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:13 AM
so should i be expecting a ban in some form then? i thought that CT seemed a logical place to put this at first. now i think i should have went with my first choice of Chit Chat.

i say that she still is.

i just wanted to hear the opinions of others. because i already have my views set.

windsurfer-sp
04-27-2008, 12:15 AM
Capital letters?

JKPolk
04-27-2008, 12:20 AM
JK, you said she's still a virgin, but you voted that she isn't? wut.

haha wow, totally forgot a word in posting.

rzr
04-27-2008, 12:22 AM
*Jaw drops* xinpig, you're my good buddy but I did so not see this coming...

She is most certaitly a virgin. There needs to be human penetration. Though this is very shaky ground that I tend to take very personal and get angry about, so I wil not reply to this thread again.

P.S. The poll shouldn't have been public.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:26 AM
*Jaw drops* xinpig, you're my good buddy but I did so not see this coming...

She is most certaitly a virgin. There needs to be human penetration. Though this is very shaky ground that I tend to take very personal and get angry about, so I wil not reply to this thread again.

P.S. The poll shouldn't have been public.

the poll thing prolly wasnt a good idea but i share the same views as you do.

All_That_Chaz
04-27-2008, 12:26 AM
I couldn't care less how people define the word, "virginity." If a girl wants to lose her virginity to another girl, I don't see why using toys to simulate the "standard" definition of coitus should be mandatory.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:28 AM
i never said that they used toys at all.

All_That_Chaz
04-27-2008, 12:30 AM
Neither did I. I wasn't even commenting on your scenario. Rather, I was saying that I really don't see the definition of the word "virginity" or the specific requisites of losing it to matter all that much.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:36 AM
That does make sense. but in the end it really differs from person to person on how it is lost.

Nyokou
04-27-2008, 12:39 AM
The moment you engage in either oral sex or intercourse sex is the moment you stop being a virgin. Virgins are people who are inexperienced when it comes to sex and have never participated in any form of it before with another person.

Breaking the hymen has nothing to do with it.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:39 AM
What about this....Is fingering intercourse between two girls? apparently that is the real question i should have asked.

Zageron
04-27-2008, 12:40 AM
IMO

You loose your virginity when you do sexual things to someone else.
Whether it be the rubbing of Clitorises or Intercourse.

Fingering also counts.

Virginity just means that you have never been sexually active with someone other then yourself.

Nyokou
04-27-2008, 12:41 AM
Fingering isn't intercourse. That's like saying that giving a guy a handjob is intercourse.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:45 AM
Not to sound like a complete idiot...(some parts ARE missing) but i have to agree with Nyokou. however mutual masturbation may be considered intercourse by some people.

Nyokou
04-27-2008, 12:49 AM
Then those people are stupid/uneducated.

Sexual intercourse: genital contact that usually refers to the insertion of the penis into into the vagina followed by orgasm/coitus [sexual intercourse, esp. between a man and a woman]/copulation.

EDIT: By the way, anyone can look these definitions up on dictionary.com They have absolute meanings, meaning no exceptions with fingers or whatever.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 12:55 AM
unless ppl want to start saying they aren't virgins cause they deflowered themselves, what next cybering takes your virginity too or sexyal rp.


ALL BOW TO THE MIGHTY SYNTH!

rzr
04-27-2008, 12:59 AM
What the hell, I DO have more feedback. Here's some definitions:

Virgin: A person who has not experimented in sexual intercourse. 2. An unmarried women who has taken religious toys of chastity.
Virginal: Of befitting a virgin. 2. unsullied or untouched; fresh.

Sexual intercourse: sexual union between humans, gen. involving physical union of the sexual genitals.

These definitions are credited to The American Heritage dictionary, 4th edition.

The problem is, with this said, the definition of urgin is one's had sexual experiments. Whereas sexual intercourse requires penetration. Conflicting.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:06 AM
What the hell, I DO have more feedback. Here's some definitions:

Virgin: A person who has not experimented in sexual intercourse. 2. An unmarried women who has taken religious toys of chastity.
Virginal: Of befitting a virgin. 2. unsullied or untouched; fresh.

Sexual intercourse: sexual union between humans, gen. involving physical union of the sexual genitals.

These definitions are credited to The American Heritage dictionary, 4th edition.

The problem is, with this said, the definition of urgin is one's had sexual experiments. Whereas sexual intercourse requires penetration. Conflicting.


It is very conflicting. however next thing you know they will say cybering is losing your virginity as well.

Nyokou
04-27-2008, 01:06 AM
So you're saying that virgins are people who have not had sexual intercourse, and I say it's not just that. If someone participates in oral sex, what are they? Not virgins, that's for sure.

Virgins are pure people who have never been exposed directly to any form of sex.

Yeah, the dictionary might say otherwise and I am contradicting my statement earlier about definitions being absolute, but how could anyone honestly believe that people who have only performed oral sex or had it performed on them, are virgins?

EDIT: I'm so tired, I'm not even sure if that makes sense right now. Maybe someone else can explain it better for me. I just won't accept the fact that someone who has done non-intercourse related sexual acts with another person is a virgin. So to get my point across to the OP, yes, you're friend isn't a virgin anymore if they participated in any sort of sexual acts with another person.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:10 AM
so according to Nyokou anyone that watched any porn or took a sex ed class wouldnt be a virgin either. would i be correct in stating that?

Nyokou
04-27-2008, 01:14 AM
Holy crap, no. Are you even reading anything I'm typing?

If two people PHYSICALLY perform ANY KIND of SEXUAL ACTS on each other, they are NOT virgins anymore; it DOESN'T matter what gender they are either.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:14 AM
i just said it to stir the topic. i am not a good CT poster i am sorry.

rzr
04-27-2008, 01:15 AM
This thread really pisses me off. Where were the 18 people viewing it when we were debating suicide? Or war? Or parenting? Or the death penalty? No need to continue.

@ Nyokou: I wish I could say no. Speaking from someone who regrets losing their virginity in that way.
@ Xinpig: congratulations, you got Synth on this thread. While he's here can you reply to my PM? Or can chardish? I mean, I am a subscriber. What happened to the guaranteed reply?
@ Xinpig again: no, there's no conceivable way having cyber sex could constitue losing ones virginity. The same with phone sex. Only physical.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:17 AM
I am very surprised synth said absolutely nothing.

rzr
04-27-2008, 01:18 AM
I didn't see this previously. But don't start fighting guys. This is a VERY volatile subject. But if you want to peacefully continue it, don't start getting hot-headed.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:18 AM
my friend wants to know if anyone (mostly Nyokou) would consider rubbing through pants as a sexual act or making out.

because the meaning there is very clear.

rzr
04-27-2008, 01:23 AM
They could be considered fore play. They could be considered sexual acts, but not actual sex in any way.

thunderstrike687
04-27-2008, 01:24 AM
i dont know why you would still consider her a virgin. if shes into girls that would be considered losing her virginity in that regard.

Nyokou
04-27-2008, 01:25 AM
Rubbing through the pants is foreplay, not a sexual act.

Making out is basically kissing. Kissing is usually a form of affection between lovers, so no, it is not a sexual act. EDIT: But it does entice for something sexual to occur, so yeah... it can also be foreplay like rzr said.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:27 AM
hmmm. alright. that is logical in that regard.

MrMagic5239
04-27-2008, 01:30 AM
Virginity regarding a woman the answer is no she is not a virgin

Virginity regarding a man, the answer is yes she is still a virgin

You basically have your virginity for women and men

rzr
04-27-2008, 01:31 AM
i dont know why you would still consider her a virgin. if shes into girls that would be considered losing her virginity in that regard.

Because there was no physical penetration. As ****ed up as this sounds, watch some lesbian porn. Without toys. They have no penetration, just bodies rubbing together (minus fingering). And most dictionaries define sex as penetration.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:31 AM
Magic you lost me.

rzr
04-27-2008, 01:33 AM
Virginity regarding a woman the answer is no she is not a virgin

Virginity regarding a man, the answer is yes she is still a virgin

You basically have your virginity for women and men

For a women to lose her virginity one of the major steps is the breaking of the hyman.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:49 AM
but what if the incident occured when that person had no concept of that word?

dancekitten15
04-27-2008, 01:53 AM
Hmmm...I'd say she is a virgin. Only intercourse should take the title of virginity from someone, since it is important to most people and society these day's promotes sexual activity. Making it harder to resist every sexual act. Make sense?

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:55 AM
That does make sense. sex is every where making it damn near impossible to really define 'losing' your virginity.

meno_rocks123
04-27-2008, 01:56 AM
I should've read the context of the poll before I answered lol
EDIT: wtf CT?

llama499
04-27-2008, 01:57 AM
hymen.

exactly! im not going to go into it though because i will keep it PG-13 once everyone gets to highschool you will lean about it.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 01:59 AM
i know it prolly dont belong in CT but i felt i needed to put it here.

thunderstrike687
04-27-2008, 02:00 AM
i think you guys need to get laid before you discuss this further.

PS im drunk ignore me plz

xinpig
04-27-2008, 02:00 AM
i think you guys need to get laid before you discuss this further.

lol wow. i should siggy this one.

richyrich55
04-27-2008, 02:11 AM
lol Coitus

xinpig
04-27-2008, 02:12 AM
lol Coitus

tee hee most intelligent post in the whole thread.

xinpig
04-27-2008, 02:20 AM
Hmmm...I'd say she is a virgin. Only intercourse should take the title of virginity from someone, since it is important to most people and society these day's promotes sexual activity. Making it harder to resist every sexual act. Make sense?

ironic double post. she lost her posting virginity here.

devonin
04-27-2008, 02:43 AM
Okay...where to begin, where to begin.

1/ The term you're looking for, which has existed for decades is "A technical virgin" meaning someone who has some degree of sexual experience but has never engaged in the standard penetrative sex that the term traditionally applies to. By the "usual" and here I mean "generally standard" definition of the term, someone who has only ever engaged in oral sex or I believe the proper term is heavy petting, has not technically lost their virginity, but as the thread has shown repeatedly, that's really a cop-out and they probably shoudln't be considering themselves virginal, if not actually a virgin.

2/ This thread had no business whatsoever being in Critical Thinking. Even if the topic weren't something completely inane and ridiculous (the vaunted virginity of one specific person because of one specific encounter) the calibre of posting in here is nowhere NEAR the standards for the CT forum.

3/ Goddammmit RZR would you stop telling people what to do? You aren't a moderator, you aren't an administrator. I don't care if this thread personally upsets you, I don't care if this thread deals with a subject that is very important to you personally. You treat the other users of this forum with respect, and that includes respecting them and their opinions.

4/ No, breaking the hymen has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with virginity. The average female has broken her hymen simply from basic physical activity well before she's had sex. Any girl who's taken part in any strenuous sport, especially things like horseback riding is "not a virgin" by that standpoint well before she would -actually- be not a virgin.

5/ "While he's here can you reply to my PM? Or can chardish? I mean, I am a subscriber. What happened to the guaranteed reply?"

RZR, you've got recieving PMs disabled as a forum option. Try enabling them and you might get an answer to your PMs.

6/ I'm sad for all of you, for thinking any of this was worth posting in CT. You're all officially warned for post-whoring, violation of several CT forum rules, and Xinpig, watch the double posting.

Tasselfoot
04-27-2008, 02:50 AM
PS - Watch Chasing Amy. There is a great dialog between a straight man and a lesbian woman about what constitutes being a virgin or not. He claims that she is a virgin, because she's never had a penis inside her vagina. She claims otherwise for various reasons that I won't spoil for you. Besides that, it's a Kevin Smith movie... which makes it worth watching.

devonin
04-27-2008, 02:59 AM
More importantly, it's a Kevin Smith movie that isn't Jersey Girl.