no, seer me (unofficial TWG24 thread)

[Afrobean]

thanks.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

I concur.

[mead1]

No, me. I'm actually a wolf. But I'm not even in the game. Flypie is trixy like that.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

=O

[Pumble]

you crazy kids and your twg

[Afrobean]

Tass is funny

TasselFoot (3:52:22 PM): what is the point of that?

Auto response from Afrobean16 (3:52:22 PM): MapleStory.

TasselFoot (3:52:36 PM): your PMs are distracting, take away from a central human plan, and create chaos and doubt.
TasselFoot (3:52:48 PM): there is ZERO team gain to doing what you did.... only personal.
Afrobean16 (3:53:11 PM): haha
Auto response from TasselFoot (3:53:12 PM): Your away message sucks.

Afrobean16 (3:53:13 PM): it was a joke
TasselFoot (3:53:23 PM): it was stupid and does exactly what i said.
Afrobean16 (3:53:27 PM): either way it doesn't really matter who is seered
TasselFoot (3:53:36 PM): but you understand my point.
Afrobean16 (3:53:39 PM): if a human is seer'd=alliance
Afrobean16 (3:53:44 PM): if a wolf is seer'd=wolf dead
Afrobean16 (3:53:49 PM): it's all gravy
TasselFoot (3:54:01 PM): no you dick. its not... the goal is to get both blues together through 1 seered person.
TasselFoot (3:54:14 PM): and now you've created confusion
Afrobean16 (3:54:23 PM): haha ok whatever you say
TasselFoot (3:55:06 PM): like if 1 listens to me, 1 listens to you.... now you have 2 seperate alliances, instead of both going to either of us... in which case you have 3 together, and then each future seer adds a person to the collective.

Seems to me that if one alliance is good, then two IS EVEN BETTER LOL

[Linkisdoomed]

So who cares about TWG. I'm a l59 Spellcaster.

[Tasselfoot]

Seems to me that if one alliance is good, then two IS EVEN BETTER LOL

Are you an idiot? Do I really need to explain the logic behind why 1 central alliance is better than 2 that could be working towards clashing agenda's without even knowing it....

[Yanah_God]

Seems to me that if one alliance is good, then two IS EVEN BETTER LOL

Are you an idiot? Do I really need to explain the logic behind why 1 central alliance is better than 2 that could be working towards clashing agenda's without even knowing it....

ur g'hey

[GuidoHunter]

Are you an idiot?

If he's serious about everything he's said in this thread, then yes, he is.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Afrobean]

Seems to me that if one alliance is good, then two IS EVEN BETTER LOL

Are you an idiot? Do I really need to explain the logic behind why 1 central alliance is better than 2 that could be working towards clashing agenda's without even knowing it....
I'll be sure to bold, italicize, underline, color, and supersize the "LOL" next time.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Oh silly! =)

[GuidoHunter]

So why did you even have that conversation?

You could have put a thousand smileys in there and I still would have questioned if you were joking just because of your track record of not understanding simple concepts.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tps222]

Someone getting bashed thats not me:)

It was obvious that Afro was joking.

[Tokzic]

you crazy kids and your twig

[Tps222]

TWIGS ARE MADE UP OF 70% DISOBEDIANT ROBOTS.

[Afrobean]

If I were serious about it, I'd have mass PM'd everyone before roles were even sent out.

Think about that for a moment.

Then go kill yourself.

[Yanah_God]

OMFG WTF DID U DO 2 ME I DID WUT U SED 2 DO THEN I DIED NOW WTF IM DED AND THIS SUX

THX A LOT

[Tps222]

Then go swallow a knife

[Tasselfoot]

The effectiveness of it comes from the fact that its done AFTER pms are sent out. Pre-PMs you don't know you're wolf/human/blue... after you do, and clearly the informing of everyone to seer you is implying you're a green.

[Tps222]

Tass has a point.

But so does a pencil.

Which one is sharper?

[Afrobean]

Hay guys, last I checked wolves can send PMs to look human too, so Tass, your whole arguement there is null. A wolf wants to look human EVEN MORE than a human, so a wolf is more likely to do something like that.

The thing that bothers me is that he believes that both seers would need to seer the same person. Let's just say for the sake of argument that both blues got seer powers night 1. If they both used their powers on the same person, that's an alliance of three people. If they use their powers on different people, then it's two alliances of two people each. Now, since we're throwing least likely situations here, let's just say that night 2 they both get seer powers again and the same continues to happen for the rest of the game. Eventually, the seers would seer someone in the other alliance, in which time you'll have an unstoppable SUPER ALLIANCE who's only weakness is green kryptonite. After this, however, a monster will travel through space just to kill superalliance. He will be known as Doomsday. Superalliances death is really just a publicity stunt though, and he does eventually come back thanks to the rejuvinative powers of the Fortress of Solitude.

Haha. Tass.

PS if you take anything in any of these posts seriously, just take a look at what forum you are in, then swallow a knife.

[Tokzic]

Tass has a point.

But so does a pencil.

Which one is sharper?

Swords are sharper than both.

Swords FTW.

[Tps222]

BLAH DOES NOT PERMIT THE USE OF SWORDS IN TWG.

[Yanah_God]

Then go swallow a knife

OMG TPS MUST B A SEER CUZ HE IZ TEH P'SYCKICK!

[blahblah18]

hmm
A) TWG + FFR = Jews + Media... we control it all
B) Afro has missed stupid points before but he almsot actually made sense there at the end haha

[Pumble]

rock paper scissors HADOKEN

[Afrobean]

BLAH DOES NOT PERMIT THE USE OF SWORDS IN TWG.
How about a knife then? Knives are usually sharper than both pencils and Tasses.

Plus, you can swallow them.

PS I most certainly did not edit this post. Anything that says otherwise is lying, and is therefore a wp;f.

[Tps222]

I defeated Pumble in the FFR league, aha.

[Pumble]

More like neither of us sent in scores.

[Yanah_God]

Go swallow a penis.

[Tps222]

Only if it is the wolf's penis.

I want Day 1 to start now.

[Yanah_God]

Only if it is the wolf's penis.

I want Day 1 to start now.

That statement made me hot.

[Tps222]

HURRY THE FUDGE UP WOLVES I WANT TO PLAY.

[talisman]

the blues are probably taking longer than the wolves. wolves are just sending a pm to flypie. blues send one to flypie, get one from flypie, then send a final one to flypie.

[Afrobean]

the blues are probably taking longer than the wolves. wolves are just sending a pm to flypie. blues send one to flypie, get one from flypie, then send a final one to flypie.
Isn't one of the places a psychic place though? Wouldn't that mean one PM to Flypie and one PM back to them saying "You picked the Psychic place tonight. There are 3 wolves left."

Haha that would suck to pick the psychic place night 1.

[Tps222]

Please don't seer me.

I'm serious.

[Yanah_God]

Seer'd

[Tps222]

Haha, trix joo, I'm the "if you seer me you die" role, you lose.

[Yanah_God]

omg u haxxed me 1ce agan

[Tps222]

NO DAT WAS BLAH WHO HAXXD JOO.

[HansSky]

Oh silly tass and his hypocrisy

[Afrobean]

Tps7910 (6:29:03 PM): Well, his PM's are uncharacteristic of him is he is a wolf.
Tps7910 (6:29:11 PM): It would be such a dumb move.
Afrobean16 (6:29:24 PM): no, it would be brilliant
Afrobean16 (6:29:39 PM): it wastes a seering on a wolf when what we really want is a human seered
Tps7910 (6:29:40 PM): Bumped the old thread?
Tps7910 (6:29:51 PM): No, not at all.
Afrobean16 (6:29:56 PM): I'd do it as a wolf
Tps7910 (6:29:57 PM): A human alliance<Wolf Seer'd.
Afrobean16 (6:30:21 PM): sure it's sacrificing yourself, but you're also slowing an alliance
Afrobean16 (6:30:37 PM): listen, the best thing for a wolf to do right now is ask to and be seer'd
Afrobean16 (6:30:45 PM): well... one wolf
Afrobean16 (6:30:53 PM): if more than one is seer'd then they're ****ed
Tps7910 (6:31:16 PM): It's dumb.
Tps7910 (6:31:27 PM): Losing a wolf is worse than adding to an alliance.
Afrobean16 (6:31:44 PM): uh... duh
Afrobean16 (6:32:02 PM): having a wolf for sure be the first person seer'd though, would stop an alliance in it's tracks
Afrobean16 (6:32:12 PM): especially if both blues get seer powers and both waste it on a red
Afrobean16 (6:32:27 PM): either way, Tass is not the type who should be seer'd in this game
Afrobean16 (6:32:38 PM): it should be a middle player who has little to no chance of being wolfes
Afrobean16 (6:32:41 PM): wolf'd
Afrobean16 (6:33:01 PM): because they can't count on getting guardian powers every night just to protect someone, you know?

In other words, Tps is a wolf.

[Pumble]

no ur

[Tps222]

Well, I guess it would be smart if the humans didn't get seer the next night. I don't know.

[Afrobean]

Oh, by the way guys, Tps thinks I'm blue, so if I get wolfed, look extra hard at him...

I'd even go so far as to reccomend seering him if I die tonight.

[Tps222]

Oh yea, look at Tass if I get wolfed as well.

That definately does not set me up Afro.

[Afrobean]

Tps, you should be glad to be seer'd.

Unless you are red.

PS GUYS, IF I DIE TONIGHT DO NOT LYNCH TPS UNLESS HE IS SEER'D AS A WOLF. WHAT I SAID ABOVE IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT A FREE PASS TO LYNCH TPS, IT IS MERELY A FRIENDLY WARNING.

PPS CAPS IS A CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME.

[Tps222]

No, Afro, if I was a wolf, it would be the best idea ever. Not only does it by me a day, it blows a seeri'ng for the humans, confirms what you thought, and slows down the alliance. It's like what you stated earlier but only better.

[talisman]

lol is this actually turning into an actual twg thread?

btw, why was posting outlawed in the thread during the night anyway? There must be some blindingly obvious reason I'm not seeing here... because I find no fault with posting during the night.

[Tps222]

We are supposed to be sleeping at night or some dumb idea like that.

[Afrobean]

The not posting at night is supposed to emulate Mafia's night phase where everyone is silent with their eyes closed.

[talisman]

we should try a game where posting is allowed during the night. might help with activity.

[Tps222]

I really want to try RL Mafia sometime. Though, I doubt I can find a bunch of people in order to do it. Maybe if we have a meetup we could. I wonder what it would be like if I tried some of my older plans live.

[talisman]

You're doing a remarkable job at maintaining the facade of making meaningful posts...

[Tps222]

I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm or not, but I really feel like I am. I'm not going "lol" a million times.

I think Afro is talking to Soccr right now to find out where Fly is.

[Afrobean]

The whole of the conversion is below.

Afrobean16 (8:00:43 PM): hay, tell flypie to update twg

Awesome, right?

[Tps222]

It does convey a point.

Seriously though, what is better?

A unfied alliance with one ruler, or 2 alliances with 2 rulers?

[Afrobean]

A unified alliance with one leader.

However, if there were two seperate alliances that met up, it'd be bigger.

Simple logic, really.

[Tps222]

Well, i mean, if the leader was an innactive one, or a poor leader. More chances sounds better.

[talisman]

Wasn't sarcasm about the meaningfulness, more about the fact that you're just raping the gbin right now.

also, one alliance is far superior to two. With two alliances you run the risk of one alliance finding the other suspicious (since if you're in an alliance you're less likely to act green). This is why I support the "seer X" plan. and if X=tass, then so be it. This means that both calvin and hobbes should seer X the first time they get to use seer powers. After that it will be a tricky game of hoping to get the guardian station each night so that X can be guarded.

[Tps222]

Well, that would be the best thing. If both blues could come in contact after seeing X, then they could pick seperate rooms, and have a 2/3 chance of getting guardian.

[GuidoHunter]

One alliance starts out with only one less person. After that, they're exactly the same. Plus, the coordination of having a unified alliance is WAY better than having one more person seered.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Afrobean]

I just don't like the thing of someone coming out and saying "seer me!!!"

If it's a wolf that gets seer'd it holds our ability to get an alliance down. And if a wolf gets seer'd there's nothing a seer can do. It's not like they can be like "ok guys I'm a blue and I seer'd XXXXXX as a wolf, let's lynch now" because they'd get wolfed. We don't want to seer wolves. We want to seer humans.

Also, someone like Tass is NEVER a good seer target in a game like this. Not to start an alliance anyway. To start the alliance, we want middle tier people who won't be wolfed.

[Tps222]

When was the last time Tass was wolfed day 1?

The trend has been middle tier players for the last 10 games, which will probably swing soon.

[Afrobean]

Tass won't be wolfed night 1 (or I should say probably won't)...

He is the type to get wolfed somewhere around day 3 or 4. The only thing that would stop him from being wolfed is being suspicious and that's quite dangerous (see last game where stupid people nearly insta'd me and lost the game).

[Tps222]

That's why he should inform the blues of who is who around day 3 when he gains there trust.

[Afrobean]

It would be better to have someone seer'd who would likely live until the end of the game without incident.

[dAnceguy117]

Tps

Should be obvious.

[talisman]

ugh. X gets guarded. It doesn't matter who X is, X will be a public figurehead anyway, meaning they're just as likely to get attacked as anyone. And if you want someone who can lead an alliance, the list is short. Tass is on it, he put his name out there first, why not him?

[Tps222]

That means that the wolves are better off trying to fake a blue, because they are in deep **** any other way. This seems heavily unbalanced, and I would use the roam early to try and prevent to large of an alliance.

[GuidoHunter]

Tass is ordinarily a great person to seer night 1 because he'll likely be guarded and the wolves'll be too scared to risk going for him.

In this game, however, there's no guaranteed guardian.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tps222]

I don't think Tass has got guarded in a while.

Power players guarded/attacked-TWG1-12
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Middle players guarded/attackedTWG 13-21
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Power Players Guarded/attacked TWG 24-?

[Afrobean]

hay guys.

I just realized something.

Tass probably will be wolfed tonight.

Why you ask?

Because the wolves think he may have been seer'd. If a player who has been seer'd is wolfed before they even get to do anything, it's pretty much a waste.

That's another strike against publically choosing who would be the one to be seer'd.

[Yanah_God]

nerds

[Tps222]

Well, perhaps the Seer forsees this, and doesn't seer Tass. Tass gets guarded (should-be obvious move) and he is proved human, while whoever the seer seer'd is as well.

[Yanah_God]

I'm a wolf.

Oh ****, don't remember that.

[talisman]

well if calvin gets seer and hobbes gets guard then tass gets seered and guarded. If no one gets guard he doesn't get guarded at all, but that probability that he'll be vulnerable is chancey (well, duh, but I mean it's more of a risk than not). There are eight possible combinations for where C+H can end up. in 5 of them one of them is the guardian.

[Yanah_God]

well if calvin gets seer and hobbes gets guard then tass gets seered and guarded. If no one gets guard he doesn't get guarded at all, but that probability that he'll be vulnerable is chancey (well, duh, but I mean it's more of a risk than not). There are eight possible combinations for where C+H can end up. in 5 of them one of them is the guardian.

... then the question is: what's the capitol of Mongolia?

[Afrobean]

5/8 is pretty good, but I'd still rather not have anyone who had been seer'd publically known. By allowing them to be publically known, you practically guarantee that they won't live until the end of the game.

[talisman]

It's even better when they know not to go to the same room. Then it's 2/3. Obviously.

[GuidoHunter]

Why would they be publicly known?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Afrobean]

Why would they be publicly known?
Tass saying "seer me" is indicitive of him being seer'd, which means that so long as he's human, he'd be a huge target for the wolves.

[Tasselfoot]

Ulan Bator is the capital of Mongolia... and yes, I knew that off the top of my head.

As far as me and the seering stuff... its why the 10 people I IMed vs the 5 people I PMed... the 10 got IMs saying seer me, then a 2nd one saying PS - guard me too :)... I kept that off the PM to the 5 people who weren't on AIM at the time.

Also, I've publically come out before asking to be seered...

Remember, this game has no MW...

Lastly, I'd have to be an idiot to put this much push on me being seered if I was a wolf. Because of my actions pre-game, I had to say something... but if I was a wolf trying to distract, I'd have made a small mention of it in the thread once day 1 started... not all this night 1 stuff. Also, I'm fairly sure I'm the best choice for being "X", as I have 7 games worth of experience leading alliances with 7 wins and 0 losses.... people listen to what I say, I stay cool under pressure, I control information within the alliance extremely well, and I am excellent at using voting patterns and process of elimination to peg final wolves.

And with that... I'm done until the game actually starts.

PS - is the 24 hour rule in effect? AKA, if wolves and/or blues don't have their pick in within 24 hours, its forfeit?

[Afrobean]

First of all, no, you would be a genius to be acting the way you are as a wolf. I know I would be in your situation. Like I said, a blue can't really do anything even if they seer a blue.

Secondly, I reiterate that the seering candidate should not be a top tier. The top tiers are more likely to be randomly wolfed since there is no sure guardian.

Thirdly, yea, Tass, you did a nice job of controlling info in chardish's team game. Oh wait, you gave away so much of our info that we were going to lose. I will give that statistics are on your side here though... the sad part is that statistics say you're one of the best wolves too.

Fourthly, I'm pretty sure that the thread is not updated because flypie hasn't done it yet. I IM'd soccr earlier saying "hay, tell flypie to update TWG" and got no response at all. I dunno what else to say, but it really seems that flypie has too much of a life to be as good a TWG host as she should be.

[Tasselfoot]

Chardish's team game... I was a wolf and not alliance leader. I don't see how these things can be compared at all.

[Afrobean]

Chardish's team game... I was a wolf and not alliance leader. I don't see how these things can be compared at all.
You were not a wolf. I was the wolf. You were the mafia alliance leader.

Understand?

[flypie743]

Fourthly, I'm pretty sure that the thread is not updated because flypie hasn't done it yet. I IM'd soccr earlier saying "hay, tell flypie to update TWG" and got no response at all. I dunno what else to say, but it really seems that flypie has too much of a life to be as good a TWG host as she should be.
1) I'm still waiting on PMs.
2) Never IM Soccr ever. Ever ever. Ever ever ever. I cannot stress this enough.
3) I have a life, but I can still host.

[evilbutterfly]

1) This game already has more activity on the forums than the last one, and Day 1 hasn't started. LOL
2) It's obvious that I'm all the wolves, since I'm at home and my sister takes the computer, so I can't send in PMs to kill Tass before anybody seers him.
3) I only got a PM from Afro saying seer me. Did Tass post a thread? I bet I post this and then look in the G-Bin, see a thread, and feel stupid.
4) Hey Serious, gtfo my G-bin! D=<

[Tasselfoot]

eb... I sent IMs to the 10 people who were online... and PMs to the 5 who weren't. *shrugs*

ps - Afro... oh. but, yea... I didn't reveal any info that wasn't needed to be shared, and got equal information back. We had a solid shot to win had Chardish not re-opened the thread...

[Afrobean]

Actually Tass, the info that you had recieved was falsified. The info you gave was real.

That put us in a position to have a hard time winning.

[JurseyRider734]

serious business

[Tokzic]

As a reminder that this is still in the GB:

twigs are for trees