Alien life

[Braydz]

After watching a documentary on TV last night on UFOs and alien life, I thought this would make an interesting thread on the CT forum. I myself have no doubt that there is intelligent life out there, much more intelligent than us humans. I also believe that some form of life has visited our planet, but the government is covering it up to stop any fear or any bad consequences of letting the public know.

EDIT: Forgot to add a poll option. Fixed.

[hatakikakashi]

I think that there is probably life elswhere in the universe, whether or not it's intelligent I have no idea. I highly doubt that intelligent life has visited us however. Not that I think that we are all that special, it's just that we would probably be too far apart, plus how would they be able to find us? We have only been transmitting for a very short time, I think that if they do exist they are asking themselves the same questions. Wondering if they are alone in the universe.

[Reach]

Well, if they actually were advanced enough to break the speed of light/warp travel, im sure they wouldn't have any problem finding us hataki. They would be too advanced for us to even comprehend at this point in time.

And yes I do believe there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. The universe is bigger than we can comprehend really...the chances of there being no life elsewhere is basically 0, even though life is obviously rare, there are more planets out there than we can even give a number value to.

[Tasselfoot]

There's life Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it. There's life Jim, but not as we know it.

And, uh, yea.. There's Klingon's on the starboard bow...

Anyway... yea, figuring as there are Billions of stars, and many of them have "planets" around them, odds are there is at least 1 other intelligent lifeform in the universe. Chances are nothing will happen about it in our lifetime though, considering the whole Speed of Light issue and it taking thousands and millions of years to travel anywhere. Solve that, and maybe its possible.

[pntballa18]

I believe in aliens and UFO's, but not the stereotypical stuff. There are definatly other things out there, but maybe they arent green with mind control or whatever. Maybe they are. I really dont believe in the spinning UFO Flying saucer spiny stuff. Probably planes like ours.

[esupin]

There have been many unexplainable things concerning UFOs and whatnot since the 40's, but 99% of it is bs. However, I wouldn't be surprised if some alien species is yanking our chains every minute and treating us like lab rats.

[hatakikakashi]

I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's unlikely. :wink: I dont' want to think that were alone, but even if there is other life were probably just too far apart, and long distance relationships can be so hard. :lol:

If they can break the light barrier,and are so much more advanced, why would they bother with us simpletons?

You gots to remember da prime directive yo! :lol:

[Braydz]

They would bother with us simpletons because we are totally different life forms to research. We are new species to them, and we are intelligent enough to communicate and interact. I am also with the idea that they are possibly a million years older than us as a society, and therefore much more technologically advanced, making it possible to get here. I also believe that 99% of all UFO/flying saucer sightings are BS, but I do believe we have been visited by alien life.

[unholyz]

Im with Reach on this one. I think the chances of there being no other forms of life ANYWHERE in the universe are 1 and a googaplex. Its gotta be there, but I just dont worry about it too much. If they can find means to get here and take us over space invaders style or in peace, let them. I highly doubt it will be in our lifetimes so if it does happen I think I would be one happy human slave. :D

[hatakikakashi]

You can be my happy human slave. :lol:

[unholyz]

oooohhhh dirty. :twisted:

[Sickminded978]

Theres always the possibility something like this MAY happen in our lifetime.

Aliens could be nice, mean, whatever. They may like war, may not; Hopefully not.
The fact that the universe has been around as long as it has, it shouldn't be ruled out that something could be traveling our way since at least 1000 years ago, maybe even more.
Today, tomorrow, whenever, something may eventually come to us, and either wage war (We'd probably lose), observe us, or simply befriend us.

Theres also the fact something may happen to our planet first, wiping us out of existence. No matter what, one of these is bound to happen first.

If we colonate to another planet, the chances of our race dieing would be slimmer, but the chances of meeting other lifeforms will have gone up, as well.

We're bound to be in contact with other aliens at some point in time, if we haven't already, that is.

[magister_negi_magi]

Here's something to think about. What if we, human beings, are the most intelligent lifeform for trillions of light-years around? That any other life on some distant planet is just now beginning to develop from prehistoric ooze? It's highly possible. We have never really gotten any sort of real contact with other planets, yet we have traveled to our moon, and have sent satellites and rovers out to other planets within our solar system. If there were some sort of uber-genius alien race somewhere in the galaxy, I think they would have discovered us by now, using some sort of device similar to our Hubble Telescope. I mean, life has existed on earth for millions of years(not necessarily intelligent, mind you), so they if they did exist, and they did send some sort of message, it would have reached us by now, seeing as how it doesn't take billions of light years to travel across our galaxy(not using universe, that would defeat my purpose). If the aforementioned aliens exist beyond our galaxy, and into the vastness of the universe, then I can understand how they wouldn't have contacted us yet...and I'm getting way too into this. I'm gonna stop now...-.-

[Sickminded978]

Also take into consideration that maybe they are more technolically advanced than us, but maybe not by much?

I'd be willing to bet there is at least one other civilization of lifeforms out there somewhere very similar to us, that are about as technologically advanced as we are.

[MonkeyFoo]

I guess I have a few things to say regarding this topic, having skimmed the other posts. First off, I believe in alien life, but not in UFO's, or at least not ones that have come anywhere near our solar system. Before I was 8 or so, I hadn't read about the universe being an expanding thing, with finite dimensions at any given time. So, with my theory before then of an infinite universe, there would have had to be alien life despite the mathematical improbability. Of course, we know fairly certainly that it is finite, so this theory got debunked for me long ago.

If, however, there is alien life somewhere in our universe, the probablity of them being near our state of technological advancement seems infinitesimally small. Think of it like this: If an alien race developed, on a planet with the same general conditions as the Earth, the rate at which they would develop would be very different from ours. This is because mutations are random, and so evolutionary rates vary greatly. (If you're a creationist, ignore this part and don't start whining.) Plus, the time at which life on the planet developed, or even when the planet itself developed, would likely be millions or billions of years off anyway. So, keeping in mind that our technology changes dramatically every century, if aliens were even a thousand years off from us, they would be extremely different in terms of technology.

I think they would have discovered us by now, using some sort of device similar to our Hubble Telescope.
Uh... remember that technology has its limitations: We can't see extrasolar planets with the HST. Aliens would need HST x10000 power to see our planet from the Orion constellation, for example. Remember, it can take billions of years for light to go significant distances through space. Aliens would only see at best a developing, pre-life planet, even today.

Then, there's the issue of contacting us. Remember that you can't travel faster than light in a vacuum (think Einstein). There are no wormholes within a million lightyears of Earth, so it would still take millions of years at light speed after using a wormhole, if they turn out to be usable somehow for travel. So they couldn't send a ship, there couldn;t be UFO's.

Even if they could build a powerful enough laser to pulse signals at us, and they could calculate all the warping of space-time and obstructions so that the laser would get to Earth eventually, it would take millions if not billions of years to get to Earth. So they couldn't contact us even that way.

Don't think I'm trying to say that aliens can't exist. This supports their existence. Many ask, "Why haven't we had a concrete contact by them if they really exist?" It is clear to you now, I'm sure, why this is. Let's eat babies.

[magister_negi_magi]

I stated that I was only going to consider the possibility of alien life within our own galaxy, not that outside. Like I said, if I talked about any life outside of our galaxy, I may have defeated my purpose.

[blargherness]

well if by UFO you mean alien life coming and contacting us, then i dont really think that would happen. i mean, if the universe really has no end, then that means we are just a little atom in a massive object. i dont think it would be possible to single out a single "atom" from all the other "atoms". it would be too unlikely in my opinion. but thats just me. i do believe in alien life though, its such a big place, theres bound to be another planet that has adapted beings to the conditions in a place somewhere...

[ramonesfan]

I believe if there is alien life within our galaxy, it is not intelligent. Maybe some sort of bacteria or insect at the most complex organism. So, no, i do not believe in UFOs so i will not vote in the poll.

[Lazy_Peasant]

humans aren't intelligent...look how many idiots there are around you

[Bakyurha]

i believe in aliens and UFO but i think the reason why some people are getting abducted because they want to examin us like scientist want to examin aliens.

[pntballa18]

BUMP. UFO's are just unidentified. They don't have to be aliens.

[dibshead]

BUMP. UFO's are just unidentified. They don't have to be aliens.

Thats true, where in the phrase UFO do you see alien?

[british_bmx2005]

If NASA actually finds more proof that there was life on Mars, then that would be something, hu?

[dibshead]

pffft NASA isn't real

[magister_negi_magi]

pffft NASA isn't real

What rock have you been living under?

[Reach]

Maybe something, but not intelligent life.

[Squeek]

I think denying the existance of any other species in the universe is the most retarded thing a person can do with their mental capacity.

~Squeek

[pntballa18]

it doesn't take billions of light years to travel across our galaxy

A light year is a distance, not a time.

[DDR_9-footer]

[quote=magister_negi_magi]it doesn't take billions of >>>light years wtf<<<to travel across our galaxy

0_o???
nice catch pintballa

[magister_negi_magi]

Yesh, a light year is a unit of distance, and as such, was used to indicate it does not take billions of said units to travel across our galaxy. It's like saying, "It doesn't take billions of miles to travel to the mall from here." Going back and reading over it, it does sound strange, but I can't see anything wrong with it.

[somerndmguy]

Yesh, a light year is a unit of distance, and as such, was used to indicate it does not take billions of said units to travel across our galaxy. It's like saying, "It doesn't take billions of miles to travel to the mall from here." Going back and reading over it, it does sound strange, but I can't see anything wrong with it.

Agreed.

Interesting how like, one or two ppl suggested the fact that alien life might NOT be hyperintelligent supergeniuses... They could just be lowly bacteria starting to develop in a primordial ooze stuff...

Besides, the human intelligence seems quite accidental... It's already quite uncommon to find a planet with suitable conditions for life... even LESS likely to find life... and EVEN LESS likely to have a structural thing like a backbone, let alone have advanced intelligence or the power of communication... I wonder if we're one of a kind in this universe...

I'm just saying...

[Lightknight924]

Mars, may have been a past Earth. I mean look at these possibilities:

1. There is life on mars such as plants.
2. There is some water.
3. It's a solid planet.

It has all the qualities an organism would have needed to survive. The climates may have been colder because of the distance of the sun to Mars compared to the Earth and the suns distance. Look, the atmosphere has been burning holes and things like this. The core of the Earth is slowing down gradually which will(in time) rid the magnetic field. Then the suns solar waves will come and wipe out the Earth's life. Leaving it mishaped and unhabited. Much like mars. So maybe Mars had been a planet much like Earth? Perhaps the organisms got away from Mars before it was too late. Think of the possibilities here.

[dawg4321]

Aliens exist. screw math and science. There are like googleplexs' of galaxies and stars and there just has to be other lifeforms. And also somerndmguy, you think that you need a planet with plants and water and things for life but u don't probably. Other life forms probably don't follow the same basic needs that humans need. Secondly communication is slow and aliens that are more intelligent then us have prolly found ways of telepathic communication or a whole different concept of communication altogether. Anyways, that's my opinion. You don't gotta believe it.

[Lightknight924]

Yes, but to our knowledge, all living organisms need to have energy. Energy has been proven to lessen or run out over a certain amount of time. You have to consume something to regain it. Every organism must replenish itself. Therefore, since we know of no animals in space, they must survive on a planet.

Our body quickly runs out of energy without oxygen causing us or any other animal to pass out. Same goes for any living animal. Unless they can somhow bypass the laws of Life itself and live without food or water or even oxygen.
That seems very unreal to me. Although, I still could be wrong.

Edit* Here's something, Religion. We have no clue how many other lifeforms are out there so we have no clue how many possible religions could exist. Hundreds. Thousands. Millions. Billions. It never ends. So to some other superior race somewhere, Christianity or Judaism could seem dumb and unreal.

[Liskenger]

The truth is personally, I believe that Aliens exist. And that stupid ass movies like Signs and stuff make it all cut out to be nothing. They probably are smarter. But I also believe that there is probably another world, possibly just like earth. Humans that look alike etc. I mean, we can't be the only form. Theres not just a bunch of fish in a lake. They are in every natural body of water almost. And if aliens were to break the light/sound barrier, hyperspeed or whatever you would like to call it, it would have an extreme amount of pressure on their body. They would need some kind of object to allow them to cut through the air, having no inertia or friction. BTW the flying saucer crap is BS. Not aerodynamic, unless aliens are like us and believe style over power is more important.

[Bamboozler]

Well, if they actually were advanced enough to break the speed of light/warp travel, im sure they wouldn't have any problem finding us hataki. They would be too advanced for us to even comprehend at this point in time.

And yes I do believe there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. The universe is bigger than we can comprehend really...the chances of there being no life elsewhere is basically 0, even though life is obviously rare, there are more planets out there than we can even give a number value to.

I do agree with the fact that there's a good chance aliens exist. However, I believe that the comment that the universe is to big to give a number value to is invalid. How do you know for a CERTAIN fact the universe has no limit? No one does, and just because you BELIEVE aliens exist doesnt mean they do. At this point in time, we may or may not be the only species in the universe, or there may be others, and WE may be the most advanced of all of them. It's no ones right to say, or even make suggestions about hese kinds of topics until we have more information to go on... least ways til' we have enough technology to venture outside our solar system with technology other than just cameras...

[GuidoHunter]

Light, a couple of points:

One, there is no life on Mars that we've seen (referring to the plants you mentioned earlier. I'm still baffled that you can talk out of your ass like that). Two, Mars is (in astronomical time) just as old as the Earth. It still has a molten core and a magnetic field. Suggesting that it was inhabited and went through natural decay far faster than the Earth is absurd.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Reach]

I do agree with the fact that there's a good chance aliens exist. However, I believe that the comment that the universe is to big to give a number value to is invalid. How do you know for a CERTAIN fact the universe has no limit? No one does, and just because you BELIEVE aliens exist doesnt mean they do. At this point in time, we may or may not be the only species in the universe, or there may be others, and WE may be the most advanced of all of them. It's no ones right to say, or even make suggestions about hese kinds of topics until we have more information to go on... least ways til' we have enough technology to venture outside our solar system with technology other than just cameras...

Where did I say the universe has no limit? ...

Saying we can't give a number value to the planets is simply an expression. There are so many of them we'd never be able to get it right.

Hell, considering the universe is expanding it isn't infinite. We could (to a point) measure the space inside of it.

However, let's do a little math. I'll assume there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy, which is a fair estimate. I'll also assume this galaxy is of a fairly standard size...meaning there will be both larger and smaller, but I'll make it the average. Now let's say only one in 10 million stars contain solar systems. Fair enough. So there are 10000 solar systems. Now let's estimate the number of galaxies in the universe to be around 100 billion which is pretty tame...alright, you can do the rest of the math.

Sure, I can't prove they exist! However, not making logical conclusions from data we have observed is stupid.

And what the **** are you going on about with rights? Modern astronomy suggests solar systems with earth like planets are probably the norm over something 'super rare' as a lot of people trying to defend religion and such will tell you. It's called making rational conclusions. Noone's saying such and such is fact, we're having a discussion.

I personally think there is lots and lots of different kinds of life out there.

And sorry buddy, but we'll likely have to rely on pictures for a very long time. Unless you're willing to figure out how to warp space time, then we're stuck...unless you enjoy traveling through space for thousands of years.

[Reach]

I do agree with the fact that there's a good chance aliens exist. However, I believe that the comment that the universe is to big to give a number value to is invalid. How do you know for a CERTAIN fact the universe has no limit? No one does, and just because you BELIEVE aliens exist doesnt mean they do. At this point in time, we may or may not be the only species in the universe, or there may be others, and WE may be the most advanced of all of them. It's no ones right to say, or even make suggestions about hese kinds of topics until we have more information to go on... least ways til' we have enough technology to venture outside our solar system with technology other than just cameras...

Where did I say the universe has no limit? ...

Saying we can't give a number value to the planets is simply an expression. There are so many of them we'd never be able to get it right.

Hell, considering the universe is expanding it isn't infinite. We could (to a point) measure the space inside of it.

However, let's do a little math. I'll assume there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy, which is a fair estimate. I'll also assume this galaxy is of a fairly standard size...meaning there will be both larger and smaller, but I'll make it the average. Now let's say only one in 10 million stars contain solar systems. Fair enough. So there are 10000 solar systems (which is way too few) Now let's estimate the number of galaxies in the universe to be around 100 billion which is pretty tame...alright, you can do the rest of the math.

Sure, I can't prove they exist! However, not making logical conclusions from data we have observed is stupid.

And what the **** are you going on about with rights? Modern cosmology suggests solar systems with earth like planets are probably the norm over something 'super rare' as a lot of people trying to defend religion and such will tell you. It's called making rational conclusions. Noone's saying such and such is fact, we're having a discussion.

I personally think there is lots and lots of different kinds of life out there.

And sorry buddy, but we'll likely have to rely on pictures for a very long time. Unless you're willing to figure out how to warp space time, then we're stuck...unless you enjoy traveling through space for thousands of years. Ideas are what push civilization. You can't say "you have no right until we have more information!". Yea, I bet that's what they told Iaasic Newton.

[Hr2]

Apparently I have voted on this but never posted.

According to NASA there are approximately 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe (put Reach's equation into a number). We are discovering that many stars have planetary systems, not just ours, we simply could not find them because they are quite small. Although I recall from an article in National Geographic they have discovered planets the size of Jupiter or so near other stars. We know that life can live on earth in very cold and very hot conditions, and what we know of evolution just increases the chances of life on other planets with different climates than ours.

I do not believe any sentient life will find its way here, because of the distances that other stars are away. But I do believe we have enough evidence on Earth that other life is POSSIBLE on other planets. We may be the very lucky, only sentient beings in the entire universe! Or, there may be life right around the corner in our own galaxy. It is impossible to know with the current technology.

But do I think there is life out there, somewhere in the universe, right this moment? Definately.

[FluorescentArmy]

Alien Life Exists. There is so much proof. With like 32,000 UFO sightings a year, which is quite an impressive number, there is some proof. Scientists are all like, "its muscles in the eye twitching." Never in my life have I had an eye twitch that makes me see flying discs or colored balls flying across the sky.

In Earth Science, I have to do this 400 point project and my group is about the search for life in the universe as we know it. They have found proof of life on mars. They found chondrules, a small wormlike structure, germ size, on a meteor found in Antarctica. They determined it came from mars. It contains martian soil traces. They think it got there when rocks from the Kuiper Belt were flung out by a gravitational flaw in the sun. This particular rock smashed into mars and then was flung off mars later. They don't know how the rocks got off mars or I suck at reading. Then they excavate it and get ALH0000000081 or something like that. The thing that confused them was that the fossilized chondrules had no DNA or RNA. They were perplexed as how a creature of this sort could live without the basic (not really) building blocks of life.

The face on mars. A Classic. I don't think erosion created this marvelous wonder. To my knowledge, robots have never explored it. It could be a dead lifeform haven for all we know. Erosion may have contributed but to make a 2 mile wide and practically perfect face, impossible IMO.

[Hr2]

A lot of reports about something doesn't make it real you know. I'm sure there are more sightings of ghosts every year than UFOs but that is no proof for ghosts existing.

[SethSquall]

I think there is, considering how big the universe is. I think there has to be some form of life. Maybe not like grey things with big heads and motherships and that jive. I think there is bound to be forms of life out there somwere.

[Reach]

They found water on one of saturns moons yesterday. So they suspect there is life on it...obviously not intelligent, but the fact that there is other life in this solar system alone kind of debunks this whole 'rare earth bull****. Solar systems are all generally formed in a similar manner.

[somerndmguy]

Alien Life Exists. There is so much proof. With like 32,000 UFO sightings a year, which is quite an impressive number, there is some proof. Scientists are all like, "its muscles in the eye twitching." Never in my life have I had an eye twitch that makes me see flying discs or colored balls flying across the sky.

Have you ever thought of the possibility of people just trying to get attention? I could very well say that just tonight I saw this glowing green ball streak across the sky. Would you believe me? Would you believe me if you didn't know it was a hoax?
I agree that muscles in the eye twitching is too farfetched, but there are many more reasons why some people see UFOs. It could be your brain playing tricks on you. After all, there are ten thousand optical illusions in existance that all fool you. Maybe your eyes and brain aren't that reliable at all. There could also be people who just play pranks on people. They can tie plates on fishing wire and hang them from a tree. You really can't tell the difference from far away.

[Porkbutts]

Have you ever thought of the possibility of people just trying to get attention? I could very well say that just tonight I saw this glowing green ball streak across the sky. Would you believe me? Would you believe me if you didn't know it was a hoax?
I agree that muscles in the eye twitching is too farfetched, but there are many more reasons why some people see UFOs. It could be your brain playing tricks on you. After all, there are ten thousand optical illusions in existance that all fool you. Maybe your eyes and brain aren't that reliable at all. There could also be people who just play pranks on people. They can tie plates on fishing wire and hang them from a tree. You really can't tell the difference from far away.


I have to agree. UFO's are pretty farfetched, and there are always conspiracies to consider. I doubt there is any alien life in our solar system. It was extremely rare and extremely lucky that earth developed life, because there are tons of conditions that need to be met for life. Maybe in some other distant galaxy there are advanced life forms.

If there were any life forms nearby in this galaxy, I doubt it would be what we expect them to look like. Probably microscopic bacterial life or some stuff like that.

[Dance_Dance_Badger]

Alright, heres the problem..

Even if we do find other life forms or vice-versa, how are we going to communicate with them? They would either be too under developed to communicate, and if they are advanced, their language and expressions would be extremely different from ours, if they had it or not. So if we do see other life, how will we talk to them?

And, if they did come into our atmosphere, they may need completley different minerals and sources to survive, Nitrogen could be poisonus to them, Oxygen could be deadly, They could expel gasses that could kill us.

[GuidoHunter]

Alien Life Exists. There is so much proof. With like 32,000 UFO sightings a year, which is quite an impressive number, there is some proof. Scientists are all like, "its muscles in the eye twitching." Never in my life have I had an eye twitch that makes me see flying discs or colored balls flying across the sky.

You are a moron. UFO claims present ZERO proof, even with thirty two thousand a year. Alien spaceship sightings have been so thoroughly debunked that you'd have to be incredibly gullible to believe in them.

Remember: UFO = unidentified flying object. When people report seeing these, they report seeing something (an object) in the sky (flying) that they don't know what it is (unidentified). It could be ANYTHING. Does that mean it's an alien spaceship? Hardly.

They found chondrules, a small wormlike structure, germ size, on a meteor found in Antarctica. They determined it came from mars. It contains martian soil traces.

That evidence isn't conclusive; you're generalizing. Because of this, you cannot say that there was life on Mars.

Then they excavate it and get ALH0000000081 or something like that. The thing that confused them was that the fossilized chondrules had no DNA or RNA. They were perplexed as how a creature of this sort could live without the basic (not really) building blocks of life.

Then how did they determine it was life?

The face on mars. A Classic. I don't think erosion created this marvelous wonder. To my knowledge, robots have never explored it. It could be a dead lifeform haven for all we know. Erosion may have contributed but to make a 2 mile wide and practically perfect face, impossible IMO.

You CAN'T be serious if you think there's anything special about the "face" on Mars. Do you believe in the Man in the Moon, too? I suggest you dictionary.com "pareidolia". You say "for all we know" as if we don't know much. You sir, are wrong about that.

Even if we do find other life forms or vice-versa, how are we going to communicate with them?

Binary. How do you think the Arecibo message was coded?

And, if they did come into our atmosphere, they may need completley different minerals and sources to survive, Nitrogen could be poisonus to them, Oxygen could be deadly, They could expel gasses that could kill us.

You know, if there was a species out there intelligent enough to develop interstellar travel, I would THINK that they would know about gas chromatography, too. Or, at least enough to scope out a planet before exposing themselves to it.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[talisman]

Did no one else notice that ginormous bump... ?

anyway. Yes there is intelligent life somewhere. Yes most likely in our galaxy. No it hasn't visited us. No there's no other intelligent life in our solar system. But there may be microbial life somewhere else in our solar system, whether on mars or the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.

[mattyohh]

There has to be something else out there in the universe somewhere... the univerese goes on forever evidently so it makes you think that there's something else out there or like paralel universes and you go threw the black holes to get to them like stargate or that show Sliders were the went to paralel universes being chased by umm... the Crowmag Dynasty or something like that. so it could be possible that there's other life forms out there.

P.S. didn't they find like bacteria on one of saturn or Neptunes moons...

[Mindfields]

The universe is just way too big, thinking about the unlimitedness of it makes my head asplode. There are these huge black holes and massive suns and planets, there are just way too many possibilities for there NOT to be life on other planets. Intelligent life is more restrictive, but there are no boundaries to the universe, so there could be a LOT of planets with intelligent life.

[clocktower]

yes i do, a little... Area 51... ( THAT STUFF IS CREEPY MAN )
but im religious..so don;t make fun of me, but I'm sure god wouldn't let us get hurt by these so called ''aliens.''

[GuidoHunter]

yes i do, a little... Area 51... ( THAT STUFF IS CREEPY MAN )
but im religious..so don;t make fun of me, but I'm sure god wouldn't let us get hurt by these so called ''aliens.''

Give up on Area 51 right now. There is zero reason to believe that aliens were ever there (or, at least, over any other section of the world).

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Grandiagod]

The only thing at Area 51 is experimental planes. The government has created such fuss about it, not putting it on maps and all. Intentional disinformation?

[mattyohh]

there's those sad people that sit out there everynight with a video camera trying to catch a UFO on tape. with area 51 if the US government actually came into contact with UFOs you reckon they'd put all that stuff in a place where the whole population didn't know about

[GuidoHunter]

Yeah, because they'd have so much to gain by hiding aliens......

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[businessman07]

sure ther are aliens. probably billions of years older and smarter than us. scientists say that to have life you need water. but that is only true on earth. who is to say there isn't life on the sun. you can't because we as humans can't get close to it. science says that space is a fabric that is always expanding but we still don't fully know how earth seems to just spin in mid air. if earth were to be put into a clock of the universe, hardly a fraction of a second would hav passed now put humans in the equation and u really see how tiny we are. and that we are clueless of our surroundings. like i said sure there are aliens, when we truly discover that, it will be amazing. but probably far from now. if we are not destroyed by the sun first.

[Novacaine]

I think the likelyhood of there being intelligent life anywhere but earth is actually very very small.

Sure when u consider the numbers of stars and galaxies it seems hard to believe.

But in order to have intelligent life first of all the planet must be the right distance from the star, it has to stay a consistant distance from the star as it revolves, it needs a moon to keep it stable and if theres any other planets they all need to revolve in a consistant distance away from the planet and the sun as well through out the full revolution so theres no gravitational pull between them.

And so far most of the planets weve found outside our solarsystem dont revolve a consistant distance around the sun throughout the whole revolution so a solar system like ours may be a rarity.

And the likelyhood of all that falling into place is incredibly small.

I bet theres life out there somewhere but primative if anything, just because the conditions needed for intelligent life usually aren't there.

And any bull**** about aliens being kept secret by the government or flying saucers abducting people on this planet is just pure bull**** because if that was the case SETI wouldn't be wasting all their money on telescopes and computers searching in space when they could just find it right here on earth.

[Reach]

Nova, you're assuming life has to form the same way we have. Our system is very fine tuned but that doesn't mean an entirely different system couldn't form under different conditions. Self manifestation; a few simple keys and you've allowed a planet to begin changing and adapting to sustain itself.

''But in order to have intelligent life first of all the planet must be the right distance from the star, it has to stay a consistant distance from the star as it revolves, it needs a moon to keep it stable and if theres any other planets they all need to revolve in a consistant distance away from the planet and the sun as well through out the full revolution so theres no gravitational pull between them.''

Actually, not true. It doesn't necessarily need to be close to the sun. If you have a fairly large planet it could support life on it's moon. You also have to consider extremophiles that we've seen here on earth; organisms that live in some of the most seemingly uninhabitable places imaginable. Red dwarfs make up like 75% of the stars and now they've actually turned up to be potentials for life!

We know microbial life is pretty common in the universe, that's for sure, and guess what dominated earth for hell, a billion years? That and we don't even know what really happened during that time! There seems to me like there could be so many paths to create intelligent life. The normal processes of the planet end up taking care of itself over time. I personally think the question is more of how life on other planets is forming, not if ;o

As I see it, nature, or hell, god if you want, is pretty clever. It would find a way to get around problems seemingly impossible to our simple minds ^^

[Hr2]

I personally do not believe that whatever the dominant race on Earth is when the sun goes red giant will simply die out. By that time we will probably have already mapped out where we will transport our race, aswell as figured out how to colonize other planets. Do I think humans will ever meet another sentient race? No, but I do believe that "earthlings" (ha ha) may have that possibility.

We've managed to travel to the moon, take pictures of other galaxies, and send probes to other planets in less than a quarter million years, what could we do with a few billion.

[businessman07]

Nova, you're assuming life has to form the same way we have. Our system is very fine tuned but that doesn't mean an entirely different system couldn't form under different conditions. Self manifestation; a few simple keys and you've allowed a planet to begin changing and adapting to sustain itself.

We know microbial life is pretty common in the universe, that's for sure, and guess what dominated earth for hell, a billion years? That and we don't even know what really happened during that time! There seems to me like there could be so many paths to create intelligent life. The normal processes of the planet end up taking care of itself over time. I personally think the question is more of how life on other planets is forming, not if ;o

Took the words right out of my text =). especially about the self manifestation point.