The MY OPINIONS ON POSTWHORING Thread (Thx Bandit)

[Anticrombie0909]

This is ridiculous. I can't believe I actually had to make this thread. Not many people know, because it only lasted a few hours during the night, but about two weeks ago Arch0wl passed a rule, saying in no uncertain terms that anybody who postwhored in a thread that was locked for postwhoring would be BANNED. I was in strong disagreement with this rule, and basically me and Arch went back and forth about it for the better part of an hour. I nearly got myself banned, but in the end, Arch took it down.

Now, a week later, I have seen more postwhoring than I think I have ever seen. Threads are being locked left and right, and people are being general ****s. This isn't good for my case, guys. I mean, I hate to say this, but was Arch0wl right? Should that rule be enforced? Lately, there has been an UNBELIEVEABLE amount of postwhoring, spam, useless topics, and the like. I don't think I've ever noticed more at one time in the entire year+ I've been at FFR. I didn't think postwhoring was that bad, and still don't, if done in MODERATION. If it becomes consistant or annoyingly frequent, if, in other words, it changes the general quality of the forum, then it is a problem. And to be perfectly honest with you guys, in the last couple weeks, I feel stupider every time I log on.

Something needs to be done. I would like to think that we don't need some bull**** nazi law to keep the postwhoring down, but a number of people's (I won't name names, you know who you are) recent behaviors has made me feel differently. It's crunch time. Time to buck up and act your age. I'm sick of seeing the forums spiraling downhill and I'm sick of them being turned into a hole. I'm sick of mods having to suggest radical options to get rid of it, and godammit, I'm ashamed that it ever had to get to that point. Time to take a step back, look at yourself, and grow the **** up. I know I'm not the only one out there thinking this. Now come on, people. Let's show Arch that I was right all along, that this community has enough integrity and intelligence to do without nazi modding and regulations, and maybe we can get this forum back to the way it used to be.

[JurseyRider734]

Yeah guys, really, grow up. What normal person acts like this in real life?

(hehehehe)

[Moogy]

Hmm... These forums were the best back in August and September of last year, and half of October.

They, oddly enough, seem to have started dropping off in quality after Yoshi was banned...

No, I'm not joking around or anything, just observing a fact.

And I wouldn't mind them returning to their previous state of... goodness.

[JurseyRider734]

That's cause he probably used up all the idiocy these forums could take. And there was none left for everyone else. Sad face.

[insomniakxz]

I agree...just look at the number of locked threads on the first page of this section.

[CypherToorima]

I agree with tha moogster.

I love FFR, but the forums are becoming bleh.

[lightdarkness]

THANK GOD

I completely agree.

Ever since the garbage bin was deleted it's started. That is not reason to postwhore anyplace else.

I think people are just postwhoring, just to get the garbage bin back.

THE GARBAGE BIN WILL NOT BE BROUGHT BACK.

Now i'm not saying we will enforce arch's old rule, but if certain people keep it up,you WILL be warned, and repeted attemps will result in further action.

Now... I have food poisoning, and I do NOT want to come back to my computer, to see more of this post whoring nonsence.

[evilbutterfly]

They need to just delete topics. And then when they make a topic asking what happened, delete that too. Just locking encourages spam, because people say "IN BEFORE THE LOCK!" and crap like that. I mean, the mods do a good job of getting everything, but if they would just delete it maybe people would stop. And don't complain about people IMing and PMing you asking what happened. It takes just as lil time to respond to those as it does to lock, post an explaination, and move the topic to the dead zone. Seriously, guys.

EDIT: Bringing back the garbage bin would help. What harm can it do, really? Why not have it?

[QreepyBORIS]

I sorta agree with Anti, all around. I saw that post. It was like a "Ban people I don't like" post. But the concept was right, there needs to be some cracking down, and some banning. Pronto.

And some sig resizing, cause GOOD GOD, MAN.

I want the forums weeded. Not like daily weeding, just one big event. So its not like the holocaust for the forums...just racial purification. Minus the race. It's just a metaphor, see?


So, there you have it.

The forums have been going downhill for a while. And uphill, in places. But you know....change needs to occur here, for better or for worse.

I apologize for any incoherency. You might notice it is rather late.

[fusi0n]

I agree...but you can't just tell someone to grow up.

[Omeganitros]

This isnt the first time the forums have turned into crap.

At one time the forums sucked so bad, I pleaded with MalReynolds to come back.

I also must notice that there's alot of non-jewpinthethird-showing-up-ness, along with Specforces.

[JurseyRider734]

jewpsoo = in france =\
spec = going into the airfizzorce

[Moogy]

jewpin is on vacation.

Specforces is in training.

And...

[01:25] SeeingEyeCthulu: it was like... really cool when i joined, then it got really bad after yoshi got banned, got better around december and january, then went to hell again

[justaguy]

okay okay okay i wont be a retard anymore >.>

[Kenzya]

okay okay okay i wont be a retard anymore >.>

Yeah ok you have 26 posts..

I guess so.. Anti..

[Squeek]

I do not believe that the banning of any individual would lead to people posting irrelevant things.

The cause of the problem lies in people's inability to find something to do. This generates a feeling of temporary insanity where the user tends to make a post using horrible grammar that doesn't relate to the topic at all.

Another possible cause is users feeling the need to gain attention by posting in every topic out there. By posting anywhere they can their name is more widely known and obviously their post count increases.

My final hypothesis is that people are trying to be comical and failing miserably. Typing in less than proper grammar is not funny anymore; it just makes you sound much less intelligent.

I implore you to consider these conjectures I have laid out.

~Squeek

[evilbutterfly]

I'm just glad that the people in the chat don't all know that there's a forum here. Just imagine if all of those losers suddenly came here and posted. Pure chaos.

[Arch0wl]

They need to just delete topics. And then when they make a topic asking what happened, delete that too. Just locking encourages spam, because people say "IN BEFORE THE LOCK!" and crap like that.

If you make such naive assumptions such as this then I hope you don't expect to be a mod for a really long time. You can't just delete topics, because when you delete something, someone just posts "OMG WHY WAS MY MESSAGE DELETED" or starts a big fuss about it or something. You can't delete individual posts - there's too much, going through three or fours screens to delete one post each time doesn't work when the forums don't load instantly like folders and ****.

EDIT: Bringing back the garbage bin would help. What harm can it do, really? Why not have it?

If we were to bring back the Garbage Bin that would mean we would make it towhere postcount is not affected by posts in it - this requires time Synth does not have. Why do you think so many admins take situations into their own hands? Because you can't just go to Synth for everything, I use talking to Synth for anything as my last resort because I know he's always busy as all hell.

Let me tell you people something - some times I make my decisions and totally ignore what the public has to say in it because I know how the net forum thing works, I know what to do. I'm not some newbie to administration, I know a whole lot about forum society and administration. And a lot of times, I know I'm right. FFR forums are no different than any other forum, basic forum etiquette is all the same. The public's decision isn't always a good decision - look how Kick Your A got 15th (out of 150+ entries) in tournamix, a PAD competition, not a keyboard competition, just by having a lot of public support.

However, the forums are not a ****hole. This forum isn't even close to the worst I've seen - it just needs a bit of improvement to make it blossom. You want to know what on this site needs major improvement? The chat. I'm serious when I say the chat in it's current state needs more improvement than the actual FFR game right now. I could go on and on about this, but this isn't the topic to do so.

I think we should hire some more forum admins, like Laharl and chardish and MrESqueek (I'd even be willing to give Moogy a chance - he does a great job on my site) and see how it goes down from there. I would say Anticrombie but often he seems more like the guy that ends up making the scene, not the guy that stops it - i.e. the guy that shouts out "THE SKY IS FALLING!" and then everyone else starts screaming.

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

I said a while ago that I was going to stop postwhoring, and I didn't until last night. I don't know why. I am done.

[emccky]

I agree with Arch. I think there should be more forum admins, and bringing back the Garbage Bin would just be hell.

[Privateer]

Very few people here have ever seen a larger, more successful community. What makes FFR not reach a higher level is the staff. It's true. Whether they do an acceptable job or not, you need a certain quality staff that FFR is far from ever having. That is what makes these forums worse, and that is what is causing the slight increase in postwhoring now. But really, if you think about it, these forums are not bad. You'd be surprised at how hard it is to find forums with this many people that still has stability.

Oh and the deletion of the garbage bin has nothing to do with it, though it should still be something this board has. The structure of boards is another thing that might cause more postwhoring, and make moderation more difficult.

Stop complaining. The only thing that you need is quick mod response and common sense, and that we do have, with Synth being recruit-happy.

EDIT: Plus, getting mods basically only improves the response time of staff. Those aren't the changes that need to be made. That isn't going to fix postwhoring. The example chardish would set as a mod would be the same he does as a regular user. The fact that he can now move topics won't make people conform to his style of posting. Stop getting mods and get some admins that know what to do.

[staroceanfreakx]

I think you should just have more consequences for postwhoring/stupid posts. I have seen so many in before lock posts it's ridiculous, I can't believe that these people aren't disciplined at all. Maybe you can give out warnings for the first offenses but after that have more severe consequences, like giving posting restrictions or something. And I agree with Arch, we do need more admins here, or at least more mods. Many pointless topics last quite a while before they finally get locked, because there simply aren't enough moderators/admins to handle all of the pointless topics. It has gotten to a point where I have to sift through all the garbage just to find one topic that is worth posting in, let alone reading it.

[Arch0wl]

Re: Privateer

You know ****.

Peace out,

-Arch

[Privateer]

Anybody could say that. Wow, you just proved nothing.

[Kilgamayan]

I haven't been really aware of what's been going on here recently, and I've always been a "who the hell cares" guy about postwhoring, so take those for what you will when reading this.

The easy solution is to simply hide post counts. Then there's no incentive to postwhore. You aren't able to make your e-penis bigger by watching a number attached to your name grow by 1 whenever you post a bunch of garbage. The people that still postwhore after this aren't needed in the FFR community and can be banned at an admin's leisure because they won't be missed.

While I don't particularly like their moderator selection system, I'd give Bemanistyle the tip of the cap here. They don't accept any kind of **** whatsoever. You postwhore, they'll find you fast and punish you as they see fit. djp and the other admins aren't afraid to ban, and they don't feel bad about doing it afterward. Look at the DDR board over there - the place was a hole until BakaOrochi, Celcius and a couple other mods went in there and beat all sorts of ass. Now it's probably the cleanest forum on the site.

The difference between postwhoring and BMS and postwhoring here is that doing it at BMS actually gives you something in the short run (tokens). You don't get anything from doing it here, expecially if post counts were turned off. So why the hell do we need people like that here? We don't.

Compare the user amount here to the user amount at BMS, and then compare the staff sizes. Then consider that there's a lot more postwhoring here than there.

[Privateer]

Very few people here have ever seen a larger, more successful community. What makes FFR not reach a higher level is the staff. It's true. Whether they do an acceptable job or not (which means they can be doing a fine job), you need a certain quality staff that FFR is far from ever having. That is what makes these forums worse, and that is what is causing the slight increase in postwhoring now. But really, if you think about it, these forums are not bad. You'd be surprised at how hard it is to find forums with this many people that still has stability.

That was very similar to what Kilga said. It's the same message, it's really the quality of the staff that makes the difference. That's what would get us to the next level.

[Arch0wl]

Privateer your message and Kilga's message were very different.

[Privateer]

"They don't accept any kind of **** whatsoever. You postwhore, they'll find you fast and punish you as they see fit. djp and the other admins aren't afraid to ban, and they don't feel bad about doing it afterward. Look at the DDR board over there - the place was a hole until BakaOrochi, Celcius and a couple other mods went in there and beat all sorts of ass. Now it's probably the cleanest forum on the site."
"Compare the user amount here to the user amount at BMS, and then compare the staff sizes. Then consider that there's a lot more postwhoring here than there."

Because the quality of staff there is better than it is here.

[tnyhwk900]

Look, last night was one of the worst nights I have ever seen on FFR. I made two topics and they were both locked due to two people (you know who you are) spamming them up. Due to one of them, I was almost banned for an angry outlash, posting awful language in size 29 bold red letters. I am not this kind of person; I would never call anyone that normally, but I was so angered by people gaying up my threads I just cracked.

What I'm getting to is: I think the reason of the downward slope this forum has been taking lately is because the only enforceful mod on here IMO is Arch. This forum needs some mods that do more then lock topics. They need to personally contact wrong-doers and make sure they don't do it again. I'm not saying they need to ban more people, I'm just saying they need to make sure that their message to the wrong-doers is heard and understood.

This leads to another problem: Half of the forum mods aren't even on every day. This is a bad thing, considering that if they are going to mod a forum this big, their position needs to become a priority. Take Cenright, for example. When was the last time he locked a topic? I don't remember. Probably not this summer. He was a good mod in the beginning, but he fell out of his responsibilities. Just like old technologies need to be replaced, old mods need to be replaced.

I'm not saying everyone besides Arch needs to be replaced, some that are on frequently (LD) just need to be reinstructed.

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

This forum has way to many idiots to be normal. People are constantly joining the game and not reading the rules, then they ask the same questions over and over again. Then people get all mad, which is understandable.

And Tnyhawk, the only reason I spammed up your thread was because it was retarded. You posted a ZooBook's owl and said it was Arch.

[chardish]

Privateer that has nothing to do with the quality of the staff, that just has to do with the practices the staff chooses to partake in. At BMS, banning is quite common - I even got banned there once (which is why my username there is AnotherChardish instead of Chardish.) Over here, however, Synth has made it quite clear that he does not like banning people. Even though Synth isn't around very much, the admins still have to follow his edicts, guidelines, and vision for the site.

I agree with Kilga; I think that hiding postcounts would be a very good step for all the reasons he mentioned above. Also, join date is usually a far better indicator of how experienced you are with the forums. If you have a 2003 join date, people should respect your views more. If you have a 2002 join date, people should be listening very closely to every word you say.

I suggest hiding the postcount, and rewarding people for good posting with semi-custom titles. A sort of ranking system, per se, that encourages good behaviour. If someone has a history of good posting, give them "Valued Member", "Great Member", "Excellent Member", etc. (or a similar way of ranking) and then there would just come a point where if there was a need for a new mod they'd probably be next in line.

Thus, people would be trying to improve the quality of their posts, rather than improving the number of their posts. They would realize that nonsense posts would simply saturate their image rather than improving their odds of getting a custom title.

[emccky]

i agree, the mods here don't really do **** except for Arch. All the mods just lock topics, but that does nothing. People can make topics as easy as a mod can lock them, so why would seeing a Locked sign next to a post stop them from making another stupid topic.

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

The ranking system is a good idea.

[tnyhwk900]

And Tnyhawk, the only reason I spammed up your thread was because it was retarded. You posted a ZooBook's owl and said it was Arch.
Well, you could have stuck with your original post, saying it was retarted, because I would have known your feelings about it. Done. Nothing wrong with that, I accepted it, if you remember. But you had to take it a step further and start spamming it alongside Moogy. That's where you crossed the line, and that's what I'm mad at.

[LEGO]

Disable post counts and edit a person's post with a warning or two if they postwhore again, and then ban the !@#$er.

[emccky]

[emccky]

i say you make a ranking system so that every say, 1000 posts you move up in rank. Have ranks for 0-999 1000-1999 2000-2999 3000-3999 so on and so on. after getting to say.. 10000 start doing it like 10000-19999 and do it by every 10000 posts.

[Anticrombie0909]

To everyone who said we need a moderating system like BMS- I understand what you're trying to say. In all honesty, I love the moderating system at BMS. But that system simply would not work here. This forum is demographically centered toward a younger age group, and it's attached to a game, so therefore we have people coming in from the game to the forum. If you go to BMS, you're not going to post anything unless you were looking for it, i.e. they have less noobs and retards. We're also far bigger as a site than BMS is.

I honestly do not think moderating is the problem. Adding more mods just gets faster response time. The reason I made this thread is because I think the people are the problem. We shouldn't need more mods, because threads shouldn't have to be locked this frequently. I think we, as the members, need to look at ourselves and try to change, and stop crying for more mods.

I WILL START THIS CHANGE

Starting today, and continuing everyday henceforth, I vow not to:

Post worthless posts in a thread that will be locked (i.e. 'in b4 lok', random images)
Post worthless posts in a legitiamate thread
Hijack threads by posting completely random posts within them
Create a topic for the sake of humor if it has no point

If everybody stepped back and thought about whether they were breaking one of these rules every time they posted, we'd have a helluva lot less postwhoring.

[Afrobean]

I'm not saying everyone besides Arch needs to be replaced, some that are on frequently (LD) just need to be reinstructed.
LD does a good job of locking topics. His only problem, I think, is that he's began posting topics that basically ask for postwhoring (you should all know what I'm talking about here).

To the people postwhoring, stop being stupid. People aren't mad about the amount of posting, they're mad about the stupidity. Look at me as an example; I post a lot, but I almost always post intelligent responses.

Either way, the garbage bin seems to be back, so just keep the postwhoring in there.

[chardish]

i say you make a ranking system so that every say, 1000 posts you move up in rank. Have ranks for 0-999 1000-1999 2000-2999 3000-3999 so on and so on. after getting to say.. 10000 start doing it like 10000-19999 and do it by every 10000 posts.

Other sites have this, and it is extremely foolish. All it does is encourages postwhoring, because then people get a tangible reward from their asdf posts.

My system works because it ignores postcount and focuses on post quality.

[Master_of_PARANOiA]

If everybody stepped back and thought about whether they were breaking one of these rules every time they posted, we'd have a helluva lot less postwhoring.

Actually, I started doing that right after me and Synth had our last chat, I started watching what I posted, but lately I've stopped for some reason.

And Anti, I'll join you.

Starting today, and continuing everyday henceforth, I vow not to:

Post worthless posts in a thread that will be locked (i.e. 'in b4 lok', random images)
Post worthless posts in a legitiamate thread
Hijack threads by posting completely random posts within them
Create a topic for the sake of humor if it has no point

[Anticrombie0909]

Chard, the only way that would work is if each ranking was user-evaluated. Like, you could rate each message, and that would equal an average. Problem is, it doesn't work. 1up has a system like that. Not only do you have people that abuse it- you know, getting their friends to rate them 5's, idiots rating people 1's because they don't like the person, and so on - but in the end, nobody really cares about it anyway. I don' think any of the mods even have a 5 star rating over there, and plenty of the people who do aren't given any respect.

If you're not talking about user based reviews, then you're essentially saying that the mods have to go and give a custom title to EACH AND EVERY PERSON WHO POSTS. That's just short of impossible.

[tnyhwk900]

LD does a good job of locking topics. His only problem, I think, is that he's began posting topics that basically ask for postwhoring (you should all know what I'm talking about here).
That's what I'm talking about, if you read my entire post. The mods know how to lock topics. That's not a big deal. They need to be reinstructed on personal rule enforcement, by way of AIM, PMing, ect.

[QreepyBORIS]

I think vreating a topic for the funny of it is fine. Just so long is it actually DOES get some laughs. If its like OMG ITZ RLY A r2 SCEERNSHAWT and its a ****ty black and white picture made in MSPaint that is supposed to be funny, but ISN'T, then, well, disallow that ****.

If its something like "Terrible" Terry Tate, then it is TOTALLY worth the bandwidth.


I agree with Chardish on alot of his points. Quality posters SHOULD be awarded. Maybe postcounts should be hidden (bu hu 4 mi). Or at LEAST it should be stressed that postcount is not important, but what you post.

Maybe there should be a Rules FORUM. Right at the Top. BAM. New people come in, they look at it, and that's that. Of course, in each Forum there should be a rules thing for that forum. Mostly to be more specific, and of course, to reiterate what was said in the Rules Forum. The only disadvantage I see with that is that it could maybe take some newbies aback, and make them not want to post here. But, hey, it'll be cleaner.

And maybe move Chit Chat and Critical Thinking BELOW the FFR-related ones. Chit Chat is too ****ing huge. Get some people to lock the last 40 pages and put them in the Dead Zone. That hasn't been done since April. Of last year.

Maybe we might want to merge some forums, that are really related. CAuse damnit, there are so goddamned many. That is another topic for another time, though.

Peace out.

[flypie743]

If you're not talking about user based reviews, then you're essentially saying that the mods have to go and give a custom title to EACH AND EVERY PERSON WHO POSTS. That's just short of impossible.

No, it has to be admins, but still it is practically impossible and who really has the time to go through 47,000 some users and give them each custom titles. Who would want to do that anyway?

[chardish]

Not everyone gets a custom title, only the good posters. Which will only be a few dozen or so. And since they're earned, they wouldn't all happen at once.

So everyone starts on even footing, and an admin sees flypie's been posting well recently. The admin goes and changes her title to "Valued Member." Easy enough like that.

This doesn't mean everyone gets a title, regardless of how good or bad you post. Titles should be marks of honor for good posters. The users should have no say in who gets them - everyone knows who the really good posters are anyway.

And with postcounts hidden, this simultaneously removes the desire to postwhore and instills the desire to make good posts. I think the mods could handle this easily.

And note that there should be no "marks of shame" for bad posters, because then there would be idiots out there who would be stupid just to get a mark of shame, because some people like that. Getting banned on DDR Freak is a sport for some people, after all.

[Kenzya]

You could do this.. I've seen it in a few forums.

Make all the forums require a certain level on the user. I'll just say level 2 on the regular sections. Start them off at level 1 and make it so the only section that are available are the RULES section. Make a thread and make it so they have to post in it. Something like "I've read and understood the rules.. etc.." Then when a mod sees the post have them up the users level to 2 so they could then visit all the regular forums.

It's a hassle and it's probably something not wanted on this site. But it would limit stupid people and take care of people who didn't care about the forums in the first place.

[Master_of_PARANOiA]

If you're not talking about user based reviews, then you're essentially saying that the mods have to go and give a custom title to EACH AND EVERY PERSON WHO POSTS. That's just short of impossible.

No, it has to be admins, but still it is practically impossible and who really has the time to go through 47,000 some users and give them each custom titles. Who would want to do that anyway?

Not all 47,000 have posts, though.

Out of those 47k users, only a small percentage of them have ever been active (posts on a daily basis, not just an intro thread and 15 posts).

Chardish:
You have a good point, but Synth is very busy, he can't go and install forum modifications.

[flypie743]

I don't really like the level idea anyway...I mean since everyone knows who posts the best what is the point of having an admin waste their time by adding custom titles? Also, I don't think that removing postcount would remove the urge to postwhore...I think people will still do it anyway. And now that the garbage bin is back people can postwhore in there and I think it is possible to make that not add to postcount.

[QreepyBORIS]

The posting levels thing seems a little difficult to do. And only practical for new, small sites. It's basically a pain in the ass here. As well as a COMPLETE user deterrent.

Sinda: I still think there should be SOME marks of shame. Like Cobol. Sigh.

[Privateer]

People would get angry for not getting titles you deserve. There has to be nothing at all. No ranks, postcounts, NOTHING. I'm sure that would solve a lot of problems. The thing is, a lot of regulars dont postwhore for posts, but just to be assholes and get attention.

[Moogy]

I like what Chardish said about join dates.

Not many people from '03 still post on here, really. Just the regulars. I think that being a regular for a year or more should count for a lot more than some post count.

'02 doesn't really matter because only Synth and Jewpin joined in '02 and still post. Oh, and Arch.

Of course, there are obvious exceptions to this. (Yanah)

[Anticrombie0909]

Moogy has a point.

Out of all the people who postwhore constantly, flame constantly, and act like general retards constantly, how many are from way back? It seems like the only people who stayed are the ones who got something out of posting here. And those people generally acted...better, if nothing else. We don't have people like DDRadicted who joined in 03, because we've weeded them all out. Just something to think about.

[Privateer]

3 out of the top 50 posters were registered in 2004, and 7 were from 2002...

[chardish]

I don't think that everyone knows who the good posters are, namely the newbies. The whole title thing gives newbies something to look up to and also a tangible goal to reach. It would also encourage bad posters to reform.

Privateer: The only person I can see being angry that he doesn't get a custom title is you. You make intelligent posts, but bash the staff so much that none of them really want to listen to you. I respect your opinion, but you might want to reconsider the way in which you go about presenting your arguments. You remind me of Michael Moore wanting to run for president of the NRA just so he could change it into how he wanted it.

MoP: Custom titles don't require a forum modification. And changing them isn't difficult. And I forsee only a few dozen people would have them. I'd like to hear Arch's, or LD's, or Kilga's, or Jewpin's, or MrESqueek's views on the subject.

[flypie743]

Privateer: The only person I can see being angry that he doesn't get a custom title is you. You make intelligent posts, but bash the staff so much that none of them really want to listen to you. I respect your opinion, but you might want to reconsider the way in which you go about presenting your arguments. You remind me of Michael Moore wanting to run for president of the NRA just so he could change it into how he wanted it.

Actually, I think Privateer makes intelligent posts, and I always read them. I think he is a good guy, and IMO he would be one of the one's to get a custom title like that. OK, so he had a few suggestions that he wanted a straight answer for and was straight forward about telling the staff that. And, I think the staff does listen to Privateer's ideas...maybe they don't like them, but I think they respect him enough to read his posts, and try to give a reasonable answer.

[chardish]

But what I'm saying is since he bashes the staff so much none of them would really be too quick to want to give him a title.

[Master_of_PARANOiA]

MoP: Custom titles don't require a forum modification. And changing them isn't difficult.

And with postcounts hidden, this simultaneously removes the desire to postwhore and instills the desire to make good posts. I think the mods could handle this easily.

I'm pretty sure that does and that's what I was referring to.

[flypie743]

Then that is putting their feelings toward Privateer in front of the idea that people who make intelligent posts should get a custom title.

[Squeek]

Now that I've been reading about this more I can relate it to a problem we had at another forum I moderate about five months ago. Though the forum is smaller and the atmosphere is very different (the average user being 20-30 years old), we had a severe conflict with differing opinions strike down the forum and split everybody in half.

**Begin Story**

Here's what happened. Somebody on the forums was beginning to post things that weren't too acceptable there. PM warnings from moderators came in and he slowed down the pace. A little later, he started up again with a new intensity and was basically attacking another user personally. This user got banned NOT for his opinions, but for his constant breaking of the rules we have stating very clearly, "Vulgar language is not acceptable", and "You cannot attack another user personally. Debating their views is acceptable, but attacking their person is not."

Though a topic was made by the Administrator to explain what happened (Banning is rare there. In two years I've seen it three times.), people could not see things the way that he did and complained that he banned him because he felt like it. At the time we had that user's supporters and those that agreed with what the Admin did. A few of us were splitting the middle to try to contain it (myself and the person whom was attacked included) and getting nowhere.

After that died down shortly after I became a moderator and we had to decide what to do in order to get rid of the little kiddies that started the whole mess by constantly arguing without ever seeing other's posts. We decided to permanentely delete an entire section where the offenders were hanging out all the time. After doing so, a complete change occured all over the forum. The kids found other sites to go to (which is what we wanted to do since they weren't at all being helpful to the site) and all was resolved.

**End story**

The situations are almost exactly the same. Though I do not think it was related to anybody getting banned from here, we did have the Garbage Bin deleted for good reason. This is not to say that those that posted in the Garbage Bin all the time need to leave, but whatever the reason for deleting the section, we have to follow it and not make the same mistakes again.

Concerning the ideas about postcount hiding and ranks - Ranks aren't always a problem but they are useless. Postcount is useful in determining how long a user has been here equivalent to the amount of posts they have incurred. An example of this is MinyMax3. She posted 150 times in two days and we had to call her on that to tell her to cease and desist. Had we not known her postcount we could only have assumed that she was being annoying without the knowledge of how bad it really was.

Though on the other hand, I can see your point with postcount also being a bad thing. We just have to decide which is better to have: small skirmishes over postcount or more information on a user.

~Squeek

Edit - Just remembered something else. After that situation above the problem came back a few months later. Now we are "debating" whether or not to have a pay-only "VIP" sort of branch forum to get those who have better things to do with their time than to answer the same question over and over again for the new users. It's going smoothly and I'll get back to you on how it turns out if you care about it at all.

[Privateer]

Thanks to both of you. :P

Yeah, I guess I would be one of the only people that would be angry for not getting one, but still I think the idea itself wouldn't work out that well. Plus it would take away the possibility for credits connecting to the forums (which I doubt would ever happen, though it would be a great feature, and would endorse forum posting).

If we want the rules to be put into effect, we need them to be on the front page of the forums. We should have a short version on the front page and the extended in the announcements section of forums.

[makaveli121212]

If you want a more grown up mature forum go somewhere else. You aren't going to change the the FFR community which is generally kids. Why ruin the fun for the kids so a minority can have 'control'. Don't make people do things they don't want to do. Like I said, if you don't want a forum with a whole bunch of postwhoring kids, then why change FFR (becasue it's unchangeable) instead of just going somewhere else.

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

I can't think of many people that would get one.

[tnyhwk900]

If you want a more grown up mature forum go somewhere else. You aren't going to change the the FFR community which is generally kids.
Just because it is generally kids doesn't mean we wanna postwhore and talk about our pokemon cards. I am 13, and do you see me evur takn lik ths? Almost not at all.

[makaveli121212]

Wow, you're extremely mature then. :roll:

What do you want to talk about?

[xTidusx]

DHS1 and I think that you can't prevent postwhoring and/or spam (obviously). A great example of this is at the Nintendo NSider Forums. I go there often and there is always some type of spam. Sure, there are a lot of moderators, but in reality they can't be online 24/7 to prevent spam. You have to accept that the mods here also aren't on 24/7, so there will still be onslaughts of spam and such. Just banning certain people will not solve the problem of postwhoring. There will always be new users or other people that will continue to do this, and you guys know that.

Even if the mods were on 24/7 they couldn't stop everything.

-xTidusx/DHS1

[justaguy]

If you want a more grown up mature forum go somewhere else. You aren't going to change the the FFR community which is generally kids.
Just because it is generally kids doesn't mean we wanna postwhore and talk about our pokemon cards. I am 13, and do you see me evur takn lik ths? Almost not at all.

jsut becus u talk liek this deos not maen dat u r not matuer.

and woo u r 13 and u don't talk liek dis so u r matuer rite?

hay wuts wrong wif pokemon cardz?

plenty of mature people talk like that, and most of the time they just do it on occasion because it's funny every now and then (props2mwerp4 maekig me laugh).

heh you can be immature and not do that which is what most people around here are like.

also asking stupid questions like HOW DO I GET STEPMANIA TO LOAD when there are plenty of tutorials around here and bemanistyle.

I'm sure others things like "wat" and other one word posts make people mad because they care to much about a postcount.

guys just try and cut down on all the retarded stuff, yeah its funny on occasion but not everyday :P.

and try to limit the one word posts because it seems to be making others mad.

you can try to make it 2lines by rambling on if it makes the other person happier thats its not just one word.

[tnyhwk900]

You're not one to talk. I saw PLENTY of spam from you yesterday.

[makaveli121212]

95% of people here aren't 'mature' enough to have intelligent conversations with. That's why there is the CT Forum. This forum is suppossed to be fun. So why try to make it something that it isn't? I liked it the way it was, but ever since last Thanksgiving the place has gotten more strict for no real reason. More people = more moderators, I understand that, but more people =/= stricter moderators. There are other forums, it isn't the end of the world to leave...trust me.

[Arch0wl]

95% of people here aren't 'mature' enough to have intelligent conversations with. That's why there is the CT Forum.

The CT forum I pretty much just view as a debate team forum and nothing else.

[Master_of_PARANOiA]

I don't get something.

Why are 87x and nestlekwik still admins?

They should be exchanged for users who are active, and deserve the position (of course).

[Moogy]

Everyone should ignore everything MoP says.

He posted 1000 times in one day.

[flypie743]

No, it was 800.

Way to get the story wrong.

And it was 6 months ago.

[Moogy]

WTF? How would you know?

And yeah it was like 6 months ago, but it doesn't matter.

[xTidusx]

Dear Moogy,

SHOT DOWN!

DHS1 - PWND!

[flypie743]

I would know because MoP told me.

[tnyhwk900]

No, it was 800.
800 is still a lot O_O

[Moogy]

I would know because I talk to MoP.
That's not the smartest thing to do.

He's kind of A HUGE IDIOT.

[Kenzya]

Oh noes. Let's make fun of one another. HIJAK'D

The forums, as I see it, has it's good and bad days. Just like each person. I've been coming to these forums for about 7 or so months and I've never really noticed very much difference. It's been the same.. It's the people. It's not the mods.. But that doesn't mean the mods shouldn't/can't do something about it.. I'm all up for punishments.

[Moogy]

The forum used to be a lot different, Kenzya.

You have no idea what it was like last year, seriously.

[Kenzya]

I joined the forums in January.. but I've been playing FFR since July of 2003.. I was just a little late :(

[CypherToorima]

Trust me. Not everyone postwhores for post count. If all my useless posts were deleted (which is a very large percentage) I couldn't care less. I postwhore to have fun or be an ass to someone who refused to read the rules (hypocritical, I know, but hey...)


I'm not promising that I'm going to stop postwhoring, but I'm going to do it in moderation. I can't really give exact numbers, but the postwhoring to intellegent post will be closer. 60(postwhoring)/40(intellegent)% This is a forum for a game. Why can't we have fun?

[JurseyRider734]

I think that we all need to get rid of the hate and start the love, seriously. And people need to act their age, peopole above 13 years old should have the maturity to act like someone who has respect for others. Look, i'll start:

Bean I love you.

[tnyhwk900]

The forum used to be a lot different, Kenzya.
Further than you know. You weren't here in the time of Freaknacage, Yanah, SotN, and CMC. I was. Although my join date is May (I don't know why =/), I've been on FFR since January 2003, maybe even Christmas 2002.

[Kilgamayan]

MoP: Custom titles don't require a forum modification. And changing them isn't difficult. And I forsee only a few dozen people would have them. I'd like to hear Arch's, or LD's, or Kilga's, or Jewpin's, or MrESqueek's views on the subject.

I'd have no problem with the custom titles thing, but in the end I know at least one person's going to feel left because they felt they deserved a title for a very long time, never got one, and never bothered to speak up about it because it was frowned upon.

I speak from experience on that matter. It's part of the reason why I left.

And in all honesty, if this custom title thing goes through I fully expect not to get one after what I've done in the past. This staff owes me nothing.

I'm also all for the whole Joined Date thing. <_<

[DHS1]

I think that we all need to get rid of the hate and start the love, seriously

Yeah really! Wheres the love?! I'll start the love post over because it seemed to stop.

I love you ::insert name:: ^_^.

-[DHS1]-

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

But you are incredibly dumb.

[JurseyRider734]

But I incredibly love you.

[Squeek]

This is the problem right here. The last two pages have gotten completely offtopic and three users are talking amongst themselves as if this is a chat room.

One thing in the forum needs to be made clear. This is NOT a chatroom. If you want to address someone personally about something offtopic, PM / AIM / MSN them and do so. There's no need to offtopic a legitimate topic such as this to find out useless information.

I see the Garbage Bin has been brought back. Personally, I don't agree with it being there. You can see already it's completely full of irrelevant things because people want to increase post count or have useless fun posting the same thing over and over again. As long as postcount doesn't increase when you post there, I'm all for it to sway idiotic posting to another place.

And if you didn't notice Chardish, the answer to your question is on page 4. I'll quote it out of context here.

Concerning the ideas about postcount hiding and ranks - Ranks aren't always a problem but they are useless. Postcount is useful in determining how long a user has been here equivalent to the amount of posts they have incurred. An example of this is MinyMax3. She posted 150 times in two days and we had to call her on that to tell her to cease and desist. Had we not known her postcount we could only have assumed that she was being annoying without the knowledge of how bad it really was.

Though on the other hand, I can see your point with postcount also being a bad thing. We just have to decide which is better to have: small skirmishes over postcount or more information on a user.

~Squeek

[CalibreneGuru]

The forums kicked large amounts of ass a year ago, but I never posted back then.

[flypie743]

I see the Garbage Bin has been brought back. Personally, I don't agree with it being there. You can see already it's completely full of irrelevant things because people want to increase post count or have useless fun posting the same thing over and over again. As long as postcount doesn't increase when you post there, I'm all for it to sway idiotic posting to another place.

The post count does increase....I think that it should be there, but no post count like you said. I guess for right now it will stay there until Synth/other admin can make it not increase your post count.

[makaveli121212]

So get rid of post count all together. Simple.

[lightdarkness]

Removing postcount from view is very easy. Removing it all together would take a while.

[makaveli121212]

Yeah, you would need new code. That's a quick fix, but I bet it would stop a lot of nUbs. There is no doubt it would.

[LEGO]

It can't be erased completely. You can do a search for all the total posts a user has through the profile function.

[makaveli121212]

That's why you would need a new code.

[lightdarkness]

It can't be erased completely. You can do a search for all the total posts a user has through the profile function.

That's why I would remove it from there too!

[Privateer]

If someone postwhores when the postwhores are easily viewed, they will postwhore if they are not viewable at all.

[staroceanfreakx]

Mr. E Squeek (sorry that isn't the exact username but close enough) wrote: Concerning the ideas about postcount hiding and ranks - Ranks aren't always a problem but they are useless. Postcount is useful in determining how long a user has been here equivalent to the amount of posts they have incurred. An example of this is MinyMax3. She posted 150 times in two days and we had to call her on that to tell her to cease and desist. Had we not known her postcount we could only have assumed that she was being annoying without the knowledge of how bad it really was.

Though on the other hand, I can see your point with postcount also being a bad thing. We just have to decide which is better to have: small skirmishes over postcount or more information on a user.

I think that only mods or admins should be able to view the post count. Then there would be no motivation to postwhore, and if another case like MinyMax came along, the mods and admins would still be able to fix the problem.
That's just my 2 cents though, I don't know if that is feasible.

[QreepyBORIS]

^ Ditto to staroceanfreak.

Also ditto to the not knowing if it is feasible.

I think people SHOULD, in General, be respected for their join date and not for postcount. I am not saying this because I am a fairly old member, but I am saying it because most people who have been here long enough have stood the test of time. Most.

I probably had another point, and somewhere to get them to, but I forgot. How anticlimactic.

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

Join date doen't always matter.

People shuld be respected for the quality of their posts. Look at Jello.
He is one of the earlier members and he is a complete moron.

[QreepyBORIS]

His moronity is debatable.

But in general, older members are better ones. m i rite or m i rite

Course, that is NOT to say if they are new, they suck. If they make good quality posts, then excellent. If not, then, well, not.

[chardish]

Kilga you've been most respectable since you decided to come back. I would probably give you a custom title with few reservations. I really hope this system gets implemented. In fact, I think the staff needs to discuss it.

[flypie743]

But what really is the point of the ranking system? All it would be is work. And people who thought that they posted good stuff might not get a title and they will feel left out. Ranking is pretty useless. And what would hiding post count accomplish? I don't think that it would stop people from postwhoring. They will still ruin dumb threads by postwhoring until a mod comes and locks it. But as Kilga said before the people who continue to postwhore would get warnings and be banned. So, I am against rankings and neutral about hiding postcount.

[makaveli121212]

I had the forum title (ranking) idea far ahead of anyone. Like almost a year ago. No one listened then, but in the end maka is always right.

[QreepyBORIS]

I kinda remember that, heh.

But Chardish, if you think it needs to be discussed, then contact the staff about it, pronto =/. They're open.

[Arch0wl]

But I incredibly love you.

You're really pushing it.

[makaveli121212]

You're really pushing it.

You're really shutting the hell up.

[Anticrombie0909]

Whatever...I still stand by the idea that we're the problem, not the system. It seems every time something happens, we all go ape**** for a new system to fix it. Whether it be new mods, or easier banning, nobody's ever said that we're the problem. I honestly do think that if we all made a concious effort to crack down on it, the problem would be at least lessened, if not solved.

[makaveli121212]

Why would people change if they don't want to?

[Anticrombie0909]

That's kinda my point, Maka. I was hoping that people would decide they did want to.

[makaveli121212]

Ok, I see where you're coming from. Good luck with that though.

[Arch0wl]

You're really pushing it.
You're really shutting the hell up.

Okay, you want to be like that? You want to provoke me and play that game? Postwhore useless **** posts like that again in a thread ADDRESSING **** like that which is MEANT for serious discussion and you're gone, especially since in all the time you've been here you've NEVER contributed anything helpful.

[makaveli121212]

'You're really pushing it'

Wow, yeah, that was a great contribution to this thread. There you postwhoring useless ****. Good job contradicting yourself already jackass. Was that post meant for a serious discussion. If she really was pushing it, there is this pm button. Yeah, use that. If you weren't such a moron then you would only be a fat, weird lookin' nerd.

[Anticrombie0909]

Argh, Maka, take it back to the Garbage bin...this thread is doing well, I'm happy to see that people are reacting positively to what I'm trying to say.

In all honesty, I half expected people to go 'shut the **** up' and either flame me or ignore me completely. I'm glad to see you guys proved me wrong.

[Mwerp]

'You're really pushing it'

Wow, yeah, that was a great contribution to this thread. There you postwhoring useless ****. Good job contradicting yourself already jackass. Was that post meant for a serious discussion. If she really was pushing it, there is this pm button. Yeah, use that. If you weren't such a moron then you would only be a fat, weird lookin' nerd.

Wow. A thread about maturity and we have someone posting personal attacks regarding a false physical state of being. Maka, if you're so interested in the maturity level of the forums, you should seriously stop posting altogether. You've already stated your motive for being here, and it is in no way a mature one.

This thread has gone on for 8 pages about trying to fix the 'intelligence level' of FFR, and nothing's been done. I don't think it's possible. You can't change people, they have to change themselves. And if they don't want to change themselves(such as maka, and also ironically just like he said himself), they're not going to do it. Ergo there's nothing you can do about it, except ban them or something.

[DHS1]

Seariously makaveli121212, shut the **** up. Leave Arch0wl alone and hopefully he'll leave you alone.


-[DHS1]-

[Kilgamayan]

Ergo there's nothing you can do about it, except ban them or something.

The problem is that Synth doesn't like to ban and everyone knows it. That means there can't even be a threat of banning because everyone knows it won't get followed through.

The only solution I can see at this point is Synth being willing to ban, and he'd have to make an example of someone to prove it.

[Master_of_PARANOiA]

Well, both VxD and maka were name banned, then VxD was IP banned (I don't know about maka at this point in time).




I don't think it was Synth who banned them.
A lot of **** goes on without Synth knowing about it since he's so busy and by the time he's checked the forum, he can't undo all of the crap that's been done.

[evilbutterfly]

I love the maturity level on these forums. I think perhaps we're all right. The mods suck, the people suck, we all suck. We're all helping the forums to suck more. That's part of why I hardly ever come here anymore. In fact, the only reason I'm posting this is because somebody IMed me a link to it. Most of my posts are just me responding to something somebody linked me too.

People need to chill the **** out and realize that some people here can't be taken seriously, and that you shouldn't be offended by something some silly nerd who doesn't know you says to you over the internet.

Mods need to chill the **** out and realize that it's just a ****ing message board for a simulation of a silly Japanese game that is already going out of style in its home country. Honestly, I think it's good to take your job seriously, but some of you take it way too far. You let things get personal.

Also, the overall attitude is just REALLY bad here. People set double standards, as seen even in this thread. Arch said something just as useless and stupid as Maka yet Arch fussed about it. Other people complain about people's postwhoring within the thread they postwhored in, which is also post whoring. People complain about people making useless posts, yet there were so many "IN BEFORE LOCK!"s that it made me sick. We tell each other to calm down and not flame each other, yet everyday somebody attacks a fellow forum member. The hypocrisy is sickening.

Did you guys ever wonder why so many people just leave? People I like have left FFR, and FFR was how I contacted them and kept in contact. It pisses ME off that these people are leaving because we can't all just calm down and be civil. This feels less like a community and more like the bowels of the internet.

Don't get me wrong, I love FFR. A lot of you people are funny, smart, and awesome people. I like playing FFR, I can hardly wait till R2. I love the simfiles section, I enjoy making things to upload here. I love this site. Unfortunately, we're all ruining it by being immature little assholes. Seriously guys, just calm down. The fact that a thread like this even needs to be made is pathetic. The fact that so many people respond saying what is wrong, yet nothing is getting better, is even more pathetic.

I have to go to bed now, and I probably won't be checking this again for a while unless somebody links me to it. See you all later.

[Kilgamayan]

It pisses ME off that these people are leaving because we can't all just calm down and be civil.

That line alone basically nullifies your entire point because of how you expressed it.

=\

[Arch0wl]

Arch said something just as useless and stupid as Maka yet Arch fussed about it.

I don't know about you but every post in this topic by me has had a point, even if I haven't spoon fed the blatancy of everything behind my point to you like I usually do. Get your facts straight, this also drops your credibility.

[djshox]

1. People need to stop being dumbasses.
2. Better administration.

Voila.

[Mwerp]

1. People need to stop being dumbasses.

Not gonna happen.

[chardish]

1. People need to stop being dumbasses.
2. Better administration.

Voila.

I don't think you've been here long enough to question the competence of the administration.

[Mwerp]

Weren't you the one who left because you were fed up with people here?

[chardish]

Weren't you the one who left because you were fed up with people here?

No, I left because I was reacting the wrong way to people's stupidity. Leaving turned out to be the wrong way to deal with that.

[banditcom]

ANTI OF ALL PEOPLE MADE A THREAD ABOUT GROWING UP?! HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh god... that's hilarious. That's like Hitler talking about needing to love people.

How about you start by not being a useless ****face in the chat?

Oh, and I know you meant to cry about this here instead. http://www.livejournal.com/

[Feuergeist]

Arch said something just as useless and stupid as Maka yet Arch fussed about it.

I don't know about you but every post in this topic by me has had a point, even if I haven't spoon fed the blatancy of everything behind my point to you like I usually do. Get your facts straight, this also drops your credibility.


How do you know if maka's did or not? Just because you are admin doesn't mean your posts are instantly the golden **** of god.

[Anticrombie0909]

ANTI OF ALL PEOPLE MADE A THREAD ABOUT GROWING UP?! HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh god... that's hilarious. That's like Hitler talking about needing to love people.

How about you start by not being a useless ****face in the chat?

Oh, and I know you meant to cry about this here instead. http://www.livejournal.com/

Now Bandit is providing us with an excellent example of the kind of idiocy that's been reigning around here lately. As you can see, he obviously didn't even read my post and/or was just too thickheaded to get my point, then after missing the clue train by 9 pages he inserts himself into the thread by being an asshole.

Maybe if you actually took the time to read what people have said about this, or even read what the thread was ABOUT, you'd realize that what you said had no relevance to the thread and you're just an ignorant ****.

I thank you though, for pointing out the error of my ways. You're right. I am immature, and you are the epitome of maturity. I think I'll follow your example now and start adding in random flames to serious posts. Should I follow up on your teachings and start a blatant overuse of 'fag' and 'stfu' as well?

If you'll notice, I've changed the title for the benefit of Banditcom or anyone as dumb as him, so we don't have any more arguments about the ACTUAL PURPOSE OF THE THREAD, in case people are misled by the title and don't take the time to read before they post.

[evilbutterfly]

Arch said something just as useless and stupid as Maka yet Arch fussed about it.

I don't know about you but every post in this topic by me has had a point, even if I haven't spoon fed the blatancy of everything behind my point to you like I usually do. Get your facts straight, this also drops your credibility.

Well...

You're really pushing it.

You're really shutting the hell up.

Arch0wl, you commented on something 2 pages back, which in itself is bad. Secondly, what you said did not contribute to the topic whatsoever. 3rd, if this was some attempt at moderation, there were much more worthy targets, such as the ones who were name-calling, or the mean post directly above Eva's that prompted her response. Hence, your comment was not needed and could therefore be deemed useless and stupid.

maka's comment barely had to do with the subject. He was basically telling you to not postwhore in a thread about not postwhoring. Of course, this brings back in what I stated before about people being hypocritical. Although, he could have said things in a nicer way and added something else to his post so it couldn't be classified as postwhoring. Hence, his post was also fairly useless and stupid.

So, as we can see here, both of you posted stupid, useless things. That's the problem here: people post stupid, useless things in threads made for meaningful, serious things. As one person pointed out (quite rudely, though), just because you are an admin does not mean that everything you say has a point. Take the banana phone post for example. That was complete crap, but an admin posted it. Being an admin does not make you perfect or anywhere near it. Some forum goers are much more behaved than all the mods and admins here, and some mods have a tendancy to misbehave.

I reiterate that we all need to just calm down and be nice to one another. Notice how I refuted his arguements with my words but did not attack him or anyone else? We can still argue and postwhore and be crazy, we just have to have some control and not let things get too personal.

Hopefully that straightened everything out for you ;)

[Arch0wl]

evilbutterfly, that post of mine wasn't postwhoring. Get an idea of what you're talking about before you try that **** with me. I was telling her she was pushing it - postwhoring in a thread about how bad the postwhoring is. I assumed most of you got that, apparently you're not very observant or you don't think things through. I did not postwhore once in this thread and you saying I did lessens your credibility in arguments.

[Feuergeist]

evilbutterfly, that post of mine wasn't postwhoring. Get an idea of what you're talking about before you try that **** with me. I was telling her she was pushing it - postwhoring in a thread about how bad the postwhoring is. I assumed most of you got that, apparently you're not very observant or you don't think things through. I did not postwhore once in this thread and you saying I did lessens your credibility in arguments.


Pushing what exactly? I expect a comment on how dumb, or "how I don't think things through", or anything similar. Its not suprising, considering your almighty 'I'm better than everyone approach'. Now let me make it absolutely clear for you.

YOU ARE NOT GOD BECAUSE YOU ARE ADMIN.
You aren't allowed to postwhore as much as the rest of us, so stop being a hypocrite and have a bit more resolve, you trigger happy wanker.



Oh and I think postwhoring is bad and people should grow up and act accordingly. (required relevancy, somehow lacking in Arch0wl's current posts)

[Mwerp]

So how is telling someone that they're pushing it postwhoring again? I must be out of the loop.

[Arch0wl]

Feuergeist, stop assuming things and read my last post over and over untill you get it because you're obviously not reading my posts through at all and just skimming them.

[Feuergeist]

I see no point in your post other than repeat what you have said. If you have a point beyond the fact you think you are forum god, explain it to the rest of us because obviously, nobody else sees your non-existant point. If you do have one, prove it. Unless 'you don't have to explain yourself' , since you are forum god right Adolf?

[Kenzya]

Guess what?

This thread is ****.

[Kilgamayan]

I was just thinking that myself.

But at least it became **** because of trolls and not postwhoring. >_>

[fusi0n]

Guess what?

This thread is ****.

Well said.

[DHS1]

I 3rd Kenzya's remark only because of the 9th page. =(

-[DHS1]-

[zildjian133]

you should make a person pay 5 dollars to postwhore something but free if it contains like no flaming and it goes by the rules of the thread, ffr would make billions and the forums would be perfect

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

You are an idiot. Shut up.

[Kenzya]

you should make a person pay 5 dollars to postwhore something but free if it contains like no flaming and it goes by the rules of the thread, ffr would make billions and the forums would be perfect

I 2nd this.

[zildjian133]

:(

[zildjian133]

sorry

[evilbutterfly]

So how is telling someone that they're pushing it postwhoring again? I must be out of the loop.

Posting a one line post telling the person this in a thread 2 pages after it happened (and the person has already quit) is post whoring. Such a statement should be reserved for PMs. If it is in a post, it should be followed by a relevant point.

Back on topic, this thread HAS gotten kinda bad. Sorry if I did anything to do that. I still maintain that people need to be nicer and just agree to calm down. I think having the garbage bin back is good. And they said it was gone forever :roll:

[Arch0wl]

Time to BREAK IT DOWN for you sir unobservant.


I see no point in your post other than repeat what you have said.

"evilbutterfly, that post of mine wasn't postwhoring. Get an idea of what you're talking about before you try that **** with me. I was telling her she was pushing it - postwhoring in a thread about how bad the postwhoring is. I assumed most of you got that, apparently you're not very observant or you don't think things through. I did not postwhore once in this thread and you saying I did lessens your credibility in arguments."

If you have a point beyond the fact you think you are forum god,

This has nothing to do with anything, and you're making false, fallaced assumptions and quick analyzations of situations that you have hardly any place in.

explain it to the rest of us because obviously, nobody else sees your non-existant point.

I've been explaining my point for awhile now. You have something stuck in your head that keeps making you think that I think I'm some forum god or whatever and you are unwilling to listen to anything I say.

If you do have one, prove it.

You just said this. "I see no point in your post other than repeat what you have said." as I quoted you earlier in the thread.

Unless 'you don't have to explain yourself'

Oh I can explain myself just fine, but you aren't very clear minded.

since you are forum god

Again with this. Get that false assumption out of your head.

right Adolf?

oh ho you are a clever boy wow. Calling administrators forum nazis is like girls claiming rape on some guy - it happens way more often than it should and it's usually the first thing people try to say when they don't like an administrator. See I can just blatantly assume you don't like me and base all my reasoning off of that fact like you're doing right now (how you think I think I'm a forum god or something) and avoid all of your points like you if I wanted. Judging by the way you've been responding to my posts it does seem that you really just don't like me, however.

Now I'm going to respond to evilbutterfly. It's sad that I have to do this oldschool style -

Posting a one line post telling the person this in a thread 2 pages after it happened (and the person has already quit) is post whoring.

Okay, EB, first of all, pages in a thread are irrelevant. In a thread, everything is pretty much addressable if it's an argument of sorts. Now, as for it being postwhoring, no. I think you need to re-evaluate what post whoring is.

"Posting for the hell of it with basically no reason, or just to increase your post count. This includes one word posts, posts of a quote of someone else and nothing else, posts of a picture and nothing else, etc."

That does not fit what I posted.

Such a statement should be reserved for PMs. If it is in a post, it should be followed by a relevant point.

I wanted to post it in the thread to make an example of it to other users - also, my point was relevant, I thought it would be obvious enough.

From my point of view it seems like you both are really are taking this out of proportion because you have no other reason to make me your scapegoat.

[Feuergeist]

All I see is a unneeded breakdown of your superiority complex. Sorry, you lose.

This petty arguing is going to go nowhere, so I am offically leaving this thread

[LEGO]

All I see is a unneeded breakdown of your superiority complex.

This made me laugh out loud.

I don't know if you guys wanna get all analytical on me, but if post whoring is posting to just increase post count, then I don't see why Arch would do it. He was telling someone to get in line, albeit a little late.

I don't know what side I'm on :?

[evilbutterfly]

Having Feuer on my side makes me want to give up...

And sorry guys for getting this thing off track. I didn't even read all of Arch's post, I don't feel like arguing. Arch's just doing it for the hell of it anyways.

[Arch0wl]

All I see is a unneeded breakdown of your superiority complex. Sorry, you lose.

This petty arguing is going to go nowhere, so I am offically leaving this thread

The first line translated to "I don't want to listen to anything you said and make a pathetic attempt to not admit that I'm wrong"

The second line translated to "I give up"

[Mwerp]

He's doing it because you two are being dumbasses and trying to catch Arch doing something wrong by making lameass rules such as "a one line post = postwhoring" =)

[evilbutterfly]

Hey, I didn't make up that rule. I was just saying that Arch was doing things equally as bad as Maka, which I still maintain to be true. Although, unlike most of the people I was adding to the actual topic in every post.

Back on topic, this topic is going downhill fast and oughta get locked as soon as Mr. Admin gets the final word. zomgosh I know your seeecrets now!

:P

[Anticrombie0909]

Ugh. Congratulations to everybody who contributed to gaying up what once was a serious thread, and I'm referring to myself as well, I should have ignored Bandit's post. Well, I got my point across, and any serious discussion that was going to be made in this thread has already been discussed. This can be locked now.

[Squeek]

People need to be calming down for a minute here.

I've only seen very little "postwhoring" as many define it done in this thread, and here it is.

You're not one to talk. I saw PLENTY of spam from you yesterday.
Everyone should ignore everything MoP says.

He posted 1000 times in one day.
No, it was 800.

Way to get the story wrong.

And it was 6 months ago.
WTF? How would you know?

And yeah it was like 6 months ago, but it doesn't matter.
Dear Moogy,

SHOT DOWN!

DHS1 - PWND!
I would know because MoP told me.
800 is still a lot O_O
That's not the smartest thing to do.

He's kind of A HUGE IDIOT.
But you are incredibly dumb.
But I incredibly love you.

Ok. I'll stop here. All of the above are examples of users taking topics away from what they should have been. None of them are postwhoring.

dood wtf wutz rong wit u postin shiznit ^ liek dat
This is postwhoring.

If you're going to change something, there's only two things you need to do. Make a rule about offtopic posting and enforce it.

This would mean telling every user in a PM that Offtopic posting is not to occur. You tell them if they wish to reply to something somebody said in a topic that doesn't affect the nature of the topic to take it to a PM. The forum is NOT a chatroom.

I would like to defend Arch's view on the matter. Though I would've recommended telling that to Jursey in a PM, sometimes posting in a public place is necessary. Arch was simply trying to divert the topic back to its original message by eliminating the element that was the cause of its going offtrack. If you can't see that, you've never been a moderator anywhere.

Please stop arguing with those that are simply doing their jobs to the best of their ability. Arch is not a forum god. Synth is. Does anybody here ever question anything that Synth does? Absolutely not. That's because Synth is the final rule on everything. Synth is the Supreme Court. Site Admins are the Federal Court of Appeals. Forum Moderators are the State Supreme Court.

~Squeek

[evilbutterfly]

This would mean telling every user in a PM that Offtopic posting is not to occur.

Unless mass PMing is allowed, I don't think that's possible.


Does anybody here ever question anything that Synth does? Absolutely not.

I'm pretty sure I've calmly argued with Synth in the chat before. I was civil about it, as I am with almost everything, so he didn't get mad. Me and him went back and forth and had a lil debate about a few things. I don't think me and Synth have very much in common =\


This can be locked now

True dat!

[Squeek]

Evil - I meant argue with Synth about the site, not politics.

And yes, you can mass PM. I can do it on the forums I moderate.

I do not think this should be locked. It is a viable place to discuss the forum regeneration that we all seem to be needing.

~Squeek

Edit - Whomever was asking for titles, we've all got some now.

[justaguy]

well this thread sure went down the drain.

the posts that are considered postwhoring are the ones that dont contribute to the conversation in topics and that is it.

all this bull**** about these one line posts being postwhoring is a bunch of ****ing garbage.

you all should know better than to think posts that are directed to people and that continue a conversation even if its a little flaming are postwhoring

what arch said was not postwhoring it was just telling someone to shut the **** up.

maka thought this didn't cut it as a decent post so he told him to shut the **** up

THUS MAKING A LARGE ARGUEMENT

you guys should all know what postwhoring is. Even those posts that are like "omg liek wut u did rly gUd on dat song" or something like that, thats just complimenting the person on their score.
posts like "wat" and "huh" are postwhoring.

just because someone uses l33t in their posts that doesn't mean it's postwhoring.

and the really funny thing is

SOME OF YOU PEOPLE CARE TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT IS POSTWHORING AND WHAT IS NOT

really though some of you cant let it slide when you see something that JUST MIGHT be postwhoring and then you have to go flame them and take it to the next level.

i know you guys will go YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE LONG

nothing is ruining these forums i see nothing wrong with them

alot of people on bemanistyle are stuck up mother****ers that flame you the instant you slip up which is not the environment noobs want to be around

this place is alot more user friendly and will tolerate a little more than other sites which is a good thing.

i dont know why you find all this such a huge problem to deal with

you dont have to crackdown on people about their post quality, you just need to tell people to quit with the stuff that is not directed to someone OR that is completely out there.

im sure people will obey this if they want people to respect them

id much rather have peoples respect than a big badge by my username that says 83490583490posts because it doesn't mean **** to me

and no people

high post count does not give you respect, and neither does having the admin badge and mod badge by your name.

its your post quality and common sense that earn you respect

peoples common sense should be kicking in and telling them why the **** am i posting this? where is it getting me? what will people think of me when i post this?

ofcourse the person you flame will think low of you, but what do you care, they are pissing you off real bad.

what if you want to ask a favor from this person later on, but wait you flamed them they dont like you.

all this postwhoring is just people having a lack of common sense.

and people need to get the right definition of postwhoring seriously.

another thing

FLAMING GETS YOU NO WHERE IT MAY MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER THAT YOU VENTED OH SNAP TAHTS CUL.

postwhoring-posts that dont contribute to the specific topic

flaming-an attempt to insult someone which gets you no where but in an arguement.

common sense would stop you from doing both of these

and i have no clue how many times i repeated myself in that so dont be a little faggot and point it out. lol

[lightdarkness]

Yea.. this has gone far enough.

[QreepyBORIS]

Would in before lock be ironic?

[Arch0wl]

I like justaguy's style hahah

[justaguy]

heh i wish there was a way to change my name because having justaguy as my name is bugging me lols.

could the admins like change my name to hayden31415?

[banditcom]

ANTI OF ALL PEOPLE MADE A THREAD ABOUT GROWING UP?! HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh god... that's hilarious. That's like Hitler talking about needing to love people.

How about you start by not being a useless ****face in the chat?

Oh, and I know you meant to cry about this here instead. http://www.livejournal.com/

Now Bandit is providing us with an excellent example of the kind of idiocy that's been reigning around here lately. As you can see, he obviously didn't even read my post and/or was just too thickheaded to get my point, then after missing the clue train by 9 pages he inserts himself into the thread by being an asshole.

Maybe if you actually took the time to read what people have said about this, or even read what the thread was ABOUT, you'd realize that what you said had no relevance to the thread and you're just an ignorant ****.

I thank you though, for pointing out the error of my ways. You're right. I am immature, and you are the epitome of maturity. I think I'll follow your example now and start adding in random flames to serious posts. Should I follow up on your teachings and start a blatant overuse of 'fag' and 'stfu' as well?

If you'll notice, I've changed the title for the benefit of Banditcom or anyone as dumb as him, so we don't have any more arguments about the ACTUAL PURPOSE OF THE THREAD, in case people are misled by the title and don't take the time to read before they post.

I tried to reply to this shortly after, but the forums were screwing up.. and I've been very busy since.

My way of reacting was to prove a point: acting like that is retarded. My other point was that you do act that way in the chat, so don't act all innocent yourself.

[Privateer]

Now that this is in the garbage bin:

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[Privateer]

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[QreepyBORIS]

Why the ****** was the put in the Bin?

I think it was legit.

[fusi0n]

stfu